andrew3081
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Yes, you can request for a supervisor (and you can request many many other things) and the police officer can decline your request. It is not your right to talk to their supervisor.
Sylvester road RCMP disscussion
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Yes, you can request for a supervisor (and you can request many many other things) and the police officer can decline your request. It is not your right to talk to their supervisor.
Exactly right. The main objective of any encounter with the police is making it as short as possible. It's not your job to lecture him on gun laws or how the legal system works.
Have you guys been up there? It's disgusting and something has to be done. There's targets left on every trees, computer monitors, TV's, washing machine, I even saw a full size Pepsi vending machine full of holes and left behind. Unfortunately the shooters can't police themselves so someone has to do it for them.
I'll second that.
rommelrommel
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this seems very clear to me and it goes both ways.
pistol magazines are 10 rounds of what it was designed for, if that pistol magazine fits in an ar15 rifle, that is of no concern to anyone.
5 rounds of beowulf is what is limited to, not 8 rounds of pumpkin, if you happen to fit 8 pumpkins in your 5 beowulf mags thats not a concern to anyone including the RCMP constable arresting you, the magazine is not regulated to pumpkins it is regulated to 5 beowulf. This is very very concerning they are monitoring firearms and yet not knowledgeable, or being wilfully ignorant and negligent about their own bulletin.
I think they need their #### slapped again.
I am kinda fed up about this whole nonsense, and for some reason I actually wish someone would get charged and this would go all the way to court so that we could have a clear judgement by a judge on this matter to settle this inconvenient truth one way or another, I know this might sound draconian, but it seems we are at this point right now.
The problem is when the crown realizes they are going to lose this case, they just drop the charges so it never goes to court for a judgement. And therefore the exercise just repeats itself forever. People getting intimidated and possibly arrested and eventually charged then charges dropped.
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted.
5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.
Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.
pistol magazines are 10 rounds of what it was designed for, if that pistol magazine fits in an ar15 rifle, that is of no concern to anyone.
5 rounds of beowulf is what is limited to, not 8 rounds of pumpkin, if you happen to fit 8 pumpkins in your 5 beowulf mags thats not a concern to anyone including the RCMP constable arresting you, the magazine is not regulated to pumpkins it is regulated to 5 beowulf. This is very very concerning they are monitoring firearms and yet not knowledgeable, or being wilfully ignorant and negligent about their own bulletin.
I think they need their #### slapped again.
I am kinda fed up about this whole nonsense, and for some reason I actually wish someone would get charged and this would go all the way to court so that we could have a clear judgement by a judge on this matter to settle this inconvenient truth one way or another, I know this might sound draconian, but it seems we are at this point right now.
The problem is when the crown realizes they are going to lose this case, they just drop the charges so it never goes to court for a judgement. And therefore the exercise just repeats itself forever. People getting intimidated and possibly arrested and eventually charged then charges dropped.
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted.
5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.
Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.
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I've never been but I've seen the pics.
I actually think the solution is to have the municipality/district do a massive clean up, haul everything out of there. Then have RCMP presence there 24/7 for a few months to discourage scumbags. And a watchman and gate isn't out of the question.
I'm usually opposed to such draconian measures but this problem won't fix itself just by having volunteer clean ups.
I like the supervisor thing. It's right up there with people telling me they know their rights and they get a phone call to anyone they want. I always disappoint them. 
Outside of printing off PAL information for people, or renewing my own RPAL I've never looked at the public RCMP website. We have our own internal one for our use. And trust me it's not what you'd expect.
Outside of printing off PAL information for people, or renewing my own RPAL I've never looked at the public RCMP website. We have our own internal one for our use. And trust me it's not what you'd expect.
I like the supervisor thing. It's right up there with people telling me they know their rights and they get a phone call to anyone they want. I always disappoint them.
Outside of printing off PAL information for people, or renewing my own RPAL I've never looked at the public RCMP website. We have our own internal one for our use. And trust me it's not what you'd expect.
Maybe you could educate us then? I find it weird having an internal policy for your own use to criminal charges on citizens. This might just be me, but the tone of this reply makes it very secret police "we're gonna get you" like.
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The purpose is not opinion but clarification.
"Purpose
The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm."
Clarification to be used in court since RCMP are the de facto experts on all firearm matters where the court is concerned.
Why is clarification necessary? Because the law is not clear on the 5 round, 10 round capacity limits, otherwise official clarification by the official experts would not be necessary.
If clarification is necessary to the law, LEO should be informed of the clarification during arrest due to the vague nature of the law.
Sounds logical to me...
Saying "we don't read or abide by RCMP bulletins" tells me a lot...
"Purpose
The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm."
Clarification to be used in court since RCMP are the de facto experts on all firearm matters where the court is concerned.
Why is clarification necessary? Because the law is not clear on the 5 round, 10 round capacity limits, otherwise official clarification by the official experts would not be necessary.
If clarification is necessary to the law, LEO should be informed of the clarification during arrest due to the vague nature of the law.
Sounds logical to me...
Saying "we don't read or abide by RCMP bulletins" tells me a lot...
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I never said it was anything more, however there are those on this forum that think it is law.
after posting I have had PM requests for a copy of the old bulletin 72, others don't get it. (here it is BTW http://web.archive.org/web/20130703...fp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm)
I know we were not doing anything illegal, the lack of knowledge by the people empowered to check on those participating in shooting sports I have encountered is what is concerning and the reason for my post.
atomicsauace
CGN Regular
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- london ontario
I agree Mike.This guy sounds like he thinks they are something special .....kinda like the Gestapo was
And seeing as this is a public forum his comment will do wonders for public/gun owners/LEO relations.
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