T/C OMEGA BULLET SEATING PROBLEMS

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I am looking for anyone that might have some seating problems w their omega's. I have run into some serious accuracy issues w/ my omega. I have tried several bullet/sabot combo's and several powders and two good scopes(leupold,buris fullfield2) and this gun has serious issues. yesterday I shot three shots at a 4x4 plywood at 100 yards and the 3rd shot never hit the plywood. It seems that after the origianl shot after the clean barrel I can't get the bullet down as far. On my ram rod it would seem at least a quarter inch or so less. I am quite certain this doesn't help. :? any sugestions would be appreciated thanks Trent[/b]
 
You have to seat the bullet on the powder. If you short start it, it is like a barrel obstuction, very bad. Use a handle on the end of the ramrod, or hammer it in, but get it in all the way. A quarter inch is probably not dangerous, but not good at all. I have a hole on the side of my short starter that the end of my ramrod fits into. It gives me a better surface to push on when the ball won't seat all the way. Sabots do not lube the barrel as you shoot, so fouling builds up fast. You may need to wipe between shots. Good luck.
 
thanks for the info snowshoe. I will try that shortstarter trick. I am just unclear on why this is happening, if this is the trouble in fact. I had a knight that I sold that never had any problems like this. In that gun after a few rounds it would be tight to push in but not uncapable of doing. This thing seems to be impossible to seat properly. Is it the design of the barrel from the breech??
 
Are you using 777? I have heard of a crud ring forming using this powder. The barrel could be just that tight. I know a fellow that has a T/C White Mountain Carbine that almost refuses to be loaded the second time with a bullet or sabot. I am just taking wild stabs, but one of these things could be the problem. You could try using a bore button, or try using Wonderlube on a patch under the bullet. This may help keep the fouling soft.
 
Saskhunter,

I have an Omega and had the exact same problem as you have. I tried loose and pellets 777, Hornaday SST's in 250 gr, XTP's in 240 and 250, T/C Shockwaves and all were grouping in 4-8 inch groups. I was very mad :evil: and could not figure out what the heck was happening till I checked my rings and base and found they were nocked loose from the recoil. I went out and shot and still had some problems and took the whole gun apart to find that bolts that held the trigger had worked there way loose as well as the bolts that hold the ramrod which also conects the stock to the barrel.
Make sure and check every stinkin screw/bolt on the gun and locktight em. That little movement I had moved my POI around like you would not believe.
You also mentioned about loads being tight after the second shot, I also had the same problem but it has seemed to go away after a few range sessions and some hunting. I switched to a knight sabot which may have made the difference??
Last tip I was given w/ regards to getting the best accuracy out of an Omega is to use Pyrodex pellets vs 777. I have never used pyrodex but will be giving it a try next year.
Good luck and don't give up :D

Cheers!!
 
Thanks for the info guys. I will tear down the blasted thing and check all screws. I did try the pyrodex last week and then brought the gun in the house after three shots and leaned on the ram rod as hard as I could. Actually lifting my 200lbs off the floor!! I could only get the bullet and sabot seated to within 2.6cm of the powder(after removing breech plug and measuring the pyrodex pellets).
I did talk to an avid shooter and gun smith and he told me the same thing of putting bore butter or wonderlube on the sabbot, I will try that.
I find it real hard to believe all the crapola I read about the accuracy of this gun. It is a great gun to hold and clean but a crapper to shoot??
 
You really should switch to power belts.... the full sabots are a pain in the ass... are you using sabot cleaner to remove the plastic???? If not your accuracy will suffer due to the plastic residue. Your regular solvent will not remove plastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
At close to 30 bucks (before tax) for twenty,I'm not sure Powerbelts are the way to go.The only modern inline that I have seen shoot powerbelts better than a saboted bullet was a friends traditions lightning.I guess its worth a try though,they say they load easier.(although I watched as a guy I know broke his ramrod loading one into one of those CVA "wolf" pieces of #### after 3 shots.)
Your Omega troubles sound like his "wolf "problems.(harder than a prick to load,even after 2-3 shots,and even with a powerbelt)
Have you considered getting in touch with T/C and letting them know about this?
I have one(Omega) and its shoots consistantly great,but then again its an older one and maybe their Q/C has went for a bowel movement as of late.Also seems to me that I had heard/read something about them changing the design of the breech plug from the earlier models.(could have been dreaming)
Like Snowshoe said you could try a little bore butter on the sabot or try the powerbelts and or a good scrubbing like Red suggested.Let me know if you are considering the sale of this anomaly.
What ever happens keep us posted,I for one am curious.
 
Hi Guys, I was having the same problem with my Omega. I was told to use Harvester sabots. That they would load easier. I tried the regular Harvester sabots with Hornaday 250SST's.They were a bit better but still tight.I then read about the Harvester "Crush Rib sabots". I bought a couple packages of 50 and tried them out with the Hornadays again. They loaded alot easier. The accuracy is still excellent, but they shot about 5" below my previous point of impact. A little adjustment and I was good to go again. Hope that gives you another alternative.......Ken
 
Something is not right. All the Omega's i've seen (including mine) shoot at least 1.5MOA and in many cases even less (with sabots).

Powerbelts were horrible for me as far as accuracy. IMO, they simply are too loose in the barrel, and as such, im sure pressure escapes around the loose bottom. Sabots are tight, yes, but that what you need to maintain accuracy. I use the Prescision Rifle sabots, and they shoot .8MOA with Hornady 250gr .45 XTP bullets. I firmly believe a tight seal is essential for accuracy.

Do you swab between each and every shot? Here's my routine for using 777. First shot of the day from a clean barrel, no lube. After the shot, I swab the barrel with a wet patch (Number 13 solvent), turn the patch around, swab again, then follow up with a dry patch. In my experience, this cleans the barrel to almost like it was before the first shot. After a few shots, I may have to go back and forth on the crud ring to make sure it is dissolved. I can usually fire no more than two shots between cleanings if need be.

Claening between shots is essential. Once you have your stuff set up, firing off a round per minute is entirely possible. In the field, I don't bother carrying around the whole possibles bag worth of stuff. I simply carry a speed loader or three, with a patch or two in the powder compartment. I also carry the brass extender jag, and maybe a bullet starter. I use saliva as the cleaning lube. It has worked well so far, though after shooting a big buck, I found my mouth to be a little dry and it took a while to lube the patch!

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well thanks for all the great info. I bought some powerbelts and will try them today. I am in the process right now of tearing the gun apart to check all screws then go shoot. steyer101 nice deer forsure!! I have kind of done what your doing cleaning between shots. I still cannot get the accuracy but today will be another test. I will post my results later. And boney nice hijack ( I mean nice deer) A++++
 
Well just got back and the results are quite different from any other bullet that i have tried. The group was actually measureable. Around 1 inch 3 shot groups. The powerbelt certainly is smaller diameter as it is fairly easy to seat. I still had to run a wet patch between shots followed by a dry one but it the three groups I shot they all had 2 holes touching and the third just outside for about 1 to 1.5 inch groups. The powerbelt is the 245 gr and I used 3 pellets 777. groups like this i can live with. I then got a little cocky and decided to try the same powder with the 200gr dead center bullets? I did take the gun completely apart today so thought this might have been the trouble. Not a great result as the group was about 3.2 inches, same routine just different bullets. without taking the gun apart I run a wet patch followed by a dry one as the routine goes and shot a 1.6 inch group with the powerbelts again. I think I finally found the combo this gun needs.
I guess my next question is I wonder how the bullet drop and speed of this combo is. I wish I had a chrony. might be time to get one??
Thanks to all for the advice, I guess thats why we are all on this site!!!
 
I am glad you finally tried the power belts... now if you want a real long range load... switch to the 348 gr aero tip power belt with 3 pellets!
You will burn all your powder with the heavier bullet and you will find it is a more accurate long range load.
I shoot this load with a 26 inch Encore out to 250 yards with MOA accuracy...
 
Good to hear of your success, sure gives a guy confidence hunting when you know your gun shoots MOA accuracy. I may have to give these powerbelts a try in my Omega seeing thry shoot so well.

Cheers!!
 
Try using Remington Kleenbore Primers. They will get rid of crud ring also u should run a wet patch through after every shot even if u just spit on a patch in the field for a quick clean. I switched to Kleenbore Primers and it was like night and day
 
I will be putting the remington primers on my list. As well as the 348 gr bullets. I have been useing federal 209 primers. I did try the hornet brass primer but found little to no difference. Also a pain in the ass to re-prime and clean every time you use one. The 348 gr really interests me. The reason for selling my knight and buying this is to be able to shoot 3 pellets and have that 250-300 yard advantage. BIGREDD: I am guessing you think the lighter bullet doesn't burn all the powder? ( I think you would be right)!!
 
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