T/C Triumph for moose hunting?

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I've pretty much narrowed down the selection to these two but can't decide between the Savage 10ML-II and Thompson Triumph. I really like the design of the T/C but the Savage would have extra knocking power with smokeless powder. Which would be a better choice for moose hunting?
 
rustysdream said:
I've pretty much narrowed down the selection to these two but can't decide between the Savage 10ML-II and Thompson Triumph. I really like the design of the T/C but the Savage would have extra knocking power with smokeless powder. Which would be a better choice for moose hunting?
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I'm not sure how you figure there's extra knockdown power with a Savage. With some creative ballistic bridges and sabots you can sneak a couple hundred extra fps out of the Savage but the sabots are the weak link in high speed muzzleloading and you start pushing them at high speeds accuracy goes out the window or you experience complete sabot failure. If you are a guy that just wants to drop powder down the barrel and follow it up with a regular old sabot/bullet....good luck getting better ballistics from a Savage. No doubt they'll shoot a bit faster but with accuracy and consistency.....no way.

That being said, either gun will deliver more than ample energy to get the job done on a moose to 200 yards. Place the bullet where it belongs and you'll have a dead moose......don't and speed is not going to help you one bit.
 
sheephunter said:
I'm not sure how you figure there's extra knockdown power with a Savage. With some creative ballistic bridges and sabots you can sneak a couple hundred extra fps out of the Savage but the sabots are the weak link in high speed muzzleloading and you start pushing them at high speeds accuracy goes out the window or you experience complete sabot failure. If you are a guy that just wants to drop powder down the barrel and follow it up with a regular old sabot/bullet....good luck getting better ballistics from a Savage. No doubt they'll shoot a bit faster but with accuracy and consistency.....no way.

That being said, either gun will deliver more than ample energy to get the job done on a moose to 200 yards. Place the bullet where it belongs and you'll have a dead moose......don't and speed is not going to help you one bit.
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Yes, I was thinking about the possibility of using a higher velocity bullet which would produce more energy.
I would not in any circumstances, try to shoot a moose at 200 yards with a muzzleloader. Maybe with my .338WM...
My goal is a clean kill with a single, well placed shot within 100 yards range. If I saw a moose 200 yards from me, I wouldn't mind stalking an extra 100 yards. :D
Anyway, if the Triumph has enough power for moose, I would rather buy that rifle. I just like the design better than the Savage. Also, I don't mind spending a little extra time for cleaning it.
 
For good knock down power from the TC, you might want to try the heaviest, WFN or LFN cast bullet in the sabot, I have experimented with the 420gr wfn, cast hard. Another option would be a Plains type flat nose bullet of .500" dia., without the sabot. These are good options that could equal heavy 45/70 loads, and should be best for under 100 yds., the lighter jacketed bullets used with sabots will be flatter shooting but will not equal the heavy flatpoints for penetration or smashing power.
 
ben hunchak said:
For good knock down power from the TC, you might want to try the heaviest, WFN or LFN cast bullet in the sabot, I have experimented with the 420gr wfn, cast hard. Another option would be a Plains type flat nose bullet of .500" dia., without the sabot. These are good options that could equal heavy 45/70 loads, and should be best for under 100 yds., the lighter jacketed bullets used with sabots will be flatter shooting but will not equal the heavy flatpoints for penetration or smashing power.
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A good jacketed 200-250 grain bullet like the SST is more than adequate.
 
rustysdream said:
Yes, I was thinking about the possibility of using a higher velocity bullet which would produce more energy.
I would not in any circumstances, try to shoot a moose at 200 yards with a muzzleloader. Maybe with my .338WM...
My goal is a clean kill with a single, well placed shot within 100 yards range. If I saw a moose 200 yards from me, I wouldn't mind stalking an extra 100 yards. :D
Anyway, if the Triumph has enough power for moose, I would rather buy that rifle. I just like the design better than the Savage. Also, I don't mind spending a little extra time for cleaning it.
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I've seen many moose dropped at 150-200 yards with 200 and 250 grain bullets but getting closer is always fun but there is plenty of energy to get the job done to 200 yards with a 150 grain powder load if the shooter does his job.
 
Sounds like another 45/70 bashing thread......the .50 cal. inline can be loaded to 45/70 specs. quite easily, with the right bullets, testing will determine which shoot best. Heavy flat pt. bullets have much more killing power and penetration then 200gr. bullets jacketed or otherwise. Anyone that thinks otherwise has never used a properly loaded 45/70 or In-line for that matter. The original post was for a heavy load for Moose inside 100yds. not skinny whitetails!
 
Back when I was using my TC Treehawk, I was shooting the 350gr Maxihunter. WOW the penetration on these things is mpressive. Shot a deer at 40yards through ass-check bounced off the bottom of the spine and ended-up under the skin of the front shoulder. Thats prob. 3 feet of penetration and the huge hunk-o-lead was still intact. I have NO doubt that it would drop a moose, but as always bullet placement is the key, bullet construction and speed just add to your margin of error. Choose whatever bullet you prefer and have confidence in, be it sabot or solid.
 
ben hunchak said:
Sounds like another 45/70 bashing thread......the .50 cal. inline can be loaded to 45/70 specs. quite easily, with the right bullets, testing will determine which shoot best. Heavy flat pt. bullets have much more killing power and penetration then 200gr. bullets jacketed or otherwise. Anyone that thinks otherwise has never used a properly loaded 45/70 or In-line for that matter. The original post was for a heavy load for Moose inside 100yds. not skinny whitetails!
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LOL...is this experience speaking? As I said, I've seen many moose go down to 200-250 grain jacketed bullets and your thought that a big heavy flat nose bullet has more killing power than a modern jacketed bullet is laughable. I wasn't aware that there were varying degrees of dead. No doubt that both will get the job done just fine but your thoughts about bullets are very outdated and don't take into account the performance characteristics of a modern jacketed bullet. If you are comparing cast bullets to cast then yes, size makes a difference but we aren't.......
 
I've shot critters including moose, elk, bear, deer, stag, hog and caribou with Omegas, Encores and a Triumph. I use 250 grain SST or bonded Shockwaves. The picture below is the results of a 250 SST and a bull moose at 210 laser range yards. As you can see there was plenty of penetration to do the job.
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I guess some experts have a very narrow window of experience and in this case are blowing smoke up your kilt. Between my wife and I we have killed almost 60 animals with inlines and I could never imagine using anything other than a 250 grain SST. I drew a bull moose tag this fall and I know what I'll be using.
Good luck on your hunt!
 
sheephunter said:
So what's the score now 50 to 10?
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Aww, c'mon why you gotta do me like that?:redface:
Last count we were almost dead even (her count) which meant she got to hunt her mule buck first this fall. Figures, I swear that woman would lie, cheat and steal to hunt... come to think of it that makes us pretty well matched!!:D
 
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