T2 Garand - Part 1
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Not much time for function checking or de - bugging them if that was the case. I wonder how they got the headspacing done. If they used take-off military barrels the only method is selective bolt fitting to establish proper headspace. They are marked .308 Win which runs tighter on headspace than 7.62x51.
I've built 5 Garands using the Tipo 2 parts over the last 10-12 yrs. I found that the shortened/re-chambered .30-06 barrels needed longer bolts than did the purpose made SIAU barrels, but, 5 rifles is a pretty small sample size
Found this in my search....Go to the heading TESTBERICHTE and then scroll down to the bottom of the page and download the M1 .308 file. It is in German, but I have the feeling that this may possibly shed some light on them... can anyone here translate the gist of the article?
Ian
"The rebuilt rifles from the german company Waffen Schumacher built on former danish Beretta/Breda actions are not equipped with a block in the magazine and are chambered specifically for .308win which gives you the usual problems with surplus military ammo.
ht tp://www.waffenschumacher.com/"
Ian
"The rebuilt rifles from the german company Waffen Schumacher built on former danish Beretta/Breda actions are not equipped with a block in the magazine and are chambered specifically for .308win which gives you the usual problems with surplus military ammo.
ht tp://www.waffenschumacher.com/"
The Italians fitted a steel spacer block in the mag well of the Tipo 2 rifles. It's purpose is solely to prevent the accidental loading of an en bloc clip of the longer .30-06 rounds. These spacer blocks can be found. They are easy to install/ remove and fit up against the bullet guide.
Garand spacer blocks
Good Day,
Here is a picture of the metal spacer blocks installed on two of my Tipo 2's. It drops it place and allows only a small amount of movement.
The US conversion process to 7.62x51NATO implemented by the Navy utilized a plastic white spacer.
They were secured to the bullet guide with small tabs and required the stock to be slightly relieved.
Regards,
Michael
Good Day,
Here is a picture of the metal spacer blocks installed on two of my Tipo 2's. It drops it place and allows only a small amount of movement.
The US conversion process to 7.62x51NATO implemented by the Navy utilized a plastic white spacer.
They were secured to the bullet guide with small tabs and required the stock to be slightly relieved.
Regards,
Michael
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HITZY, here we go again with your accurate statements, very few parts on the T2 are unique to that rifle, and of course we have spares....
The first conversions the T-1 was made up with new barrels, for some reason the Italian government decided to use modified .30-06 barrels.
Had you been there to advise them I'm certain it would have turned out differently.
John
"The first type are standard GI .30-06 Garand barrels shortened by .5 inch at the breech end and then re-chambered in 7.62. Those are the T-2
"The second type are purpose made 7.62 barrels marked SIAU 67 or SIAU 68 on the side.Those are the T-1
"I'd be curious to know what type of barrels these German assembled conversions have." The barrels are T-2
"Mine are Springfield Armory made and gauge like new" The Italians used any and all barrels available ta the time. Yes they do look new
John
Oh my, another expert who is fully familiar as the reason we sent those rifles for a complete inspection and proofing after they were in storage for over 60 years.
Perhaps to save me the time, you would be kind enough to inform your fellow shooter here on CGN with the balance of the details ?
John
Tipo 2 Garand heal markings...
Perhaps you could explain to me when the Italian MOD starting using English markings on their rifles ?
Caliber .30M1 was for the .30-006 rifles
What you have there appears to be some commercial Garands produced by Beretta many years ago for the US market (Before they were prohibited imports)
John
I look forward to receiving my rifles. I ordered the matching option and paid extra for hand select. I am a bit surprised at the cost of shipping but it is what it is. After tax and shipping I am looking at just over 2 grand per rifle.
These rifles sold out in less than a day, on the day they were advertised no less. To put it in perspective Wolverine advertised for weeks if not longer for their final cz858 shipment and it sold in a similar time frame. True it was 400 some rifles compared to 200 but it still says something. Both retailers also charged a fair price and didn't gouge when they easily could have.
These rifles sold in the same price range as the James River rebuilt garands and those seem to sell. I don't get the criticisms from some about these Italian guns. IMO way more value and collectibility but to each their own.
These rifles sold out in less than a day, on the day they were advertised no less. To put it in perspective Wolverine advertised for weeks if not longer for their final cz858 shipment and it sold in a similar time frame. True it was 400 some rifles compared to 200 but it still says something. Both retailers also charged a fair price and didn't gouge when they easily could have.
These rifles sold in the same price range as the James River rebuilt garands and those seem to sell. I don't get the criticisms from some about these Italian guns. IMO way more value and collectibility but to each their own.
Your sarcasm really isn't that helpful, even coming from a self-styled "expert". Using bold type in your posts is the internet equivalent of yelling. Most of us can manage without this.
Did you check post #56 to examine the photos of receivers on the bona-fide Italian built Tipo 2 rifles?
The rifles that you are selling are built on surplus Italian made and Danish marked receivers, at least on the basis of the photos on your website. Its a fact that the Danes didn't surplus their Garands until the 1990s which makes it chronologically impossible that your rifles could have been built on these same receivers 60 years ago (1956) and then held in storage for the next 60 years. The Danes bought their Breda and Beretta rifles from Italy in 1954/55, so its highly improbable that they would have decided to surplus a bunch of them and send them back to Italy just 2 years later while the Italians were still in the business of producing their own Garands. You are the salesman here so we look to you to round out the correct details.
One thing that most can agree on is that the surplus Danish receivers make an excellent basis to build a Garand, be it in .30-06, 7.62 or .308 Win. The Italian surplus Tipo 2 barrels, stocks and op rods have been available in the US surplus bazaars from vendors like Sarco and Numrich for quite a while and they are generally very lightly used. From my, albeit limited, experience a Garand that is properly assembled from these parts will be a very good choice.
I made a mistake when I placed the order. I should have paid for hand select and ask for consecutive serial number.
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