T2 Garand - Part 1

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The absence of military markings on these barrels, as well as the fact that the front of the bolts have been ground to fit, leads to the conclusion that these are not military barrels. I've assembled a lot of Garands, incl 5 with bona fide military Tipo 2 stocks, barrels, and op rods and have never had a situation where the bolt would not fit and function properly.

The surplus Danish Breda and Beretta receivers were built to a high quality line and can be fitted with military barrels and bolts with no problem. The only thing one needs to do to get proper headspacing with a combination of Breda/Beretta receiver, a military bolt and a used military barrel is to trial fit bolts until one is found that gives the proper headspace.

I'd be interested to hear how a set of .308 Win headspace gauges run in these rifles.
 
It's stamped right on the rifle who built them...Hauck Armstech.
http://www.hauck-waffenbau.net/galerie-werkstattarbeiten/
This was addressed by someone earlier in the thread who's in the business.
Going by the pics, they are not a huge shop. Putting together 120 M1's from parts in 26hrs is impressive, but obviously the quality of the work was lacking. Out of all the samples in this thread, almost all had bolt lugs ground. I wouldn't trust them to last, and obviously if they needed grinding to fit, simply buying a replacement bolt won't fix the issue. On top of that, the 1/2" TIPO type shortening makes it a rather expensive conversion back to standard length if you decide to correct the issues that way.
I'm not sure what commercial CIP proofing consists of? A single 25% overcharge? Anyone know?
 
Here is what the CIP does...

"The standard proof of firearms consists of firing two overloaded cartridges producing 25% more chamber pressure than the C.I.P maximum pressure limit for the same cartridge in its commercial version. For pistol, revolver and rimfire cartridges, the standard proof is performed with overloaded cartridges that produce 30% more chamber pressure than the C.I.P maximum pressure limit for the same cartridge in its commercial version. Voluntarily testing beyond the C.I.P. maximum pressure limit is also possible for consumers who intend to use their firearms under extreme conditions (hot climates, long strings of shots, etc.). A proof mark is stamped in every successfully tested firearm. The C.I.P. does not test any further aspects regarding the correct functioning of the tested firearm. For example, aspects like the correct cycling of cartridges etc. are not part of the proofing process.

Primarily orientated towards the proof houses and manufacturers, the C.I.P. independently assesses, approves and publicizes manufacturer's data such as ammunition and chamber dimension specifications, maximum allowed chamber pressures, caliber nomenclature, etc. All this C.I.P. established data can be accessed by everyone.

Technical procedures describing how to perform proofing are also established by the C.I.P. and updates to the various test methods are issued in the form of "decisions". These decisions can also easily be obtained by everyone involved.

The C.I.P. formally distributes established data and decisions to the member states through diplomatic channels for publishing in their official journals. After official publication C.I.P. established data and decisions obtain(s) indisputable legal status in all C.I.P. member states.

Governmental organizations, like military and police forces and other firearms bearing public power agencies, from the C.I.P. member states are legally exempted from having to comply with C.I.P. rulings. This does not automatically imply that all firearms and ammunitions used by governmental organizations in C.I.P. member states are not C.I.P. compliant, since those organizations often choose to self-impose the relevant C.I.P. standards for their service firearms and ammunition."

http://www.mdwguns.com/cip.html
 
A few additional questions on these barrels;

- is the exterior surface area surrounding the gas port chrome plated?

-how do the gas cylinders fit on the barrel splines - loose or tight?

- how do they shoot?
 
purple said:
A few additional questions on these barrels;

- is the exterior surface area surrounding the gas port chrome plated?

-how do the gas cylinders fit on the barrel splines - loose or tight?

- how do they shoot?
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Beltfed has a pic of the end of the barrel, I don't see any chrome in the gasport area.
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I'd like to see if the barrels are flush with the receiver like below, might explain all the lug grinding.
 
Danish Garand receivers are in spec. Any USGI bolt will fit one. If a bolt needs fittig it's always because the barrel changed the lug recess geometry or is short chambered.

It makes me wonder if these barrels were bought short chambered and the lugs were ground because the assembler had no lathe to properly ream the chambers in a high volume assembly setting.

Scary stuff that has no place in my shop or in my gun safe.

Never mind the wear characteristics of metal that is no longer surface hard, if the lugs do not bear equally on both sides, one lug will eventually fail catastrophically. A dangerous situation made worse if a stress concentration was induced by the grinding operation undercutting a lug. This amplifies the likelihood of fatigue crack propagation over time.
 
My barrel isn't chromed at the gas port area. My cylinder is loose front to back and can rotate slightly too. Not good for any kind of accuracy. The barrel on mine is flush to the receiver. I just pulled mine out again to check on these few things that have been mentioned and mine is going back too.

My rear sight was also just thrown on and not functional when I got it.

My bolt has been ground at the rear too, but it almost seems like maybe it was welded and then ground as there are even holes/pits in the ground areas!!!

It is too bad because this one is gorgeous, but with all this and the wierdness that is going on, I am not keeping it for a $2000 parts gun built with questionable quality.


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They look welded to me then ground down to fit!!! Not a good situation at all!! Look at the right side of my bolt body. It looks like they were doing it so fast that the tip of the welder touched it and melted it! Brand new bolt from the looks of it too!

Ian
 
Audet said:
Ok, mine also has a face of the bolt grinded off. I knew it felt a bit to easy to take apart compared to my old SA...

I don't trust this rifle as a shooter or ar as Italian T2 as advertised. Good news is Marstar has a good return policy.
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Bad news, you will have to pay to ship it back.
 
Mine looks like it was tested after as there is a slight brass ring on the bolt face and everything was cleaned up just enough that you could fire it. With only 2 rounds being fired, it doesn't surprise me that it passed. Who knows now if that bolt was really stressed by those two over proof rounds that it would only take a few hundred more before it failed!

Ian
 
Makes me wonder if anyone at johnone's shop even looked at how they where put together before sending them out the door. If they did look at them they didn't seem to care much about what they were selling to the public. I just hope no one gets hurt while using one of these rifles.
 
firstson said:
Makes me wonder if anyone at johnone's shop even looked at how they where put together before sending them out the door. If they did look at them they didn't seem to care much about what they were selling to the public. I just hope no one gets hurt while using one of these rifles.
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you are right, it doesn't look good. Guess there will be a lot of returns.
 
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