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T2 Garand - Part 1
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So not only are these things "inferior commercial conversions", they are unsafe to shoot.
Well done marstar. Greed has gotten the better of you.
Also, you should have concentrated on getting actual Korean M1's, that would have been a lot better and less BS on your part.
Well done marstar. Greed has gotten the better of you.
Also, you should have concentrated on getting actual Korean M1's, that would have been a lot better and less BS on your part.
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i have sorta refrained from commenting, but this, this is incredible. arc welding on the back side preasure side of a bolt, in a proofed and passed rifle?? anyone who knows anything about hardening and tempering and metalurgy would never do this on a lug. good god i have been on the end of a M1 that went up in smoke from an overloaded round and i am here to tell you its no fun at all. you could not pay me enough to pull the trigger on the rifle with that bolt in it.
As has been mentioned here allready, why all the bolt grinding? these are most likely short chamberd comercial bbls, all you need is a pull through reamer ,gauge, oil, and about 12 seconds to finish a chamber. makes absalutly no sence in my world to grind a bolt. Are all the bolts ground on everyones rifles? i see on there website they are proud of all the garand parts layed out ,big giant bag of op rods laying on the floor. doesnt take a rocket surgeon to figure this story out
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That is definitely flux core welded like when you cheap out with a mig and run it without gas. I've worked as an engineering welding specialist professionally and that is exactly what a gas less MIG weld looks like after being dressed.
My personal opinion is that bolt is unsafe as is.
My personal opinion is that bolt is unsafe as is.
And if anyone gets injured or worse, a few lawsuits.
Another possibility is they needed to move the bolt face closer to the chamber as the barrels could have been over-reamed. Adding material to the back of the bolt lugs and grinding away the front of the lugs with some relief grinding around the collar would make a long-chambered gun, like a field/reject into a SAAMI nogo pass.
Just... Wow.
Ps: I'm really disappointed in the Terni workers who felt welding and grind-dressing the bolt lugs is a good practice and I'm even more sad for the Danish QA officers who accepted them into the NATO supply system over 50 years ago. Good thing the Danes never issued these in war, the results might not have been as expected 
Good grief, if I had access to that amount of Garand parts at a decent price the rifles would be leaving my place at far less than what folks have been paying for substandard work. If anyone here has a decent grasp of German, it would be interesting to hear what the builder has to say about the marathon assembly and how anything was gauged during the work.
Not to fan the flames, but I checked my bolt. The rear right lug was welded and ground. The surrounding metal is discoloured as if the grinding or welding created to much heat. I'm quite concerned about the hardness of the bolt. The bolt is brand new in appearance, I don't understand why anyone would weld and grind a new bolt.
If I had .308/7.52 headspace gauges I would throw in a spare bolt and see how it gauged.
This is disappointing because it's perfect otherwise and looks beautiful.
After the long weekend I'll start the process to send it back, which sucks because in the end I'll be out $100 due to shipping both ways.
Again some crappy cell phone pictures.
If I had .308/7.52 headspace gauges I would throw in a spare bolt and see how it gauged.
This is disappointing because it's perfect otherwise and looks beautiful.
After the long weekend I'll start the process to send it back, which sucks because in the end I'll be out $100 due to shipping both ways.
Again some crappy cell phone pictures.
You won't be out shipping. Read section "D" of their "Ironclad Guarantee".
I will also be contacting them to begin the process of shipping them back. I took a chance on these rifles and gave the benefit of the doubt until the very last. I waited until I could personally examine the rifles I ordered and reserved judgement until I did so. The overwhelming evidence shows these are not Italian arsenal built T2 rifles. Even if by some miracle they are revealed to be some unknown T2 variant they are in a dangerously unsafe condition. The ground and or welded bolts make these rifles unsafe to fire. Bolts should at most be lapped in; to grind or weld on the locking lug surfaces is not an approved practice and is the province of an unskilled amateur. The fact that it was done boggles the imagination.
I will also be contacting them to begin the process of shipping them back. I took a chance on these rifles and gave the benefit of the doubt until the very last. I waited until I could personally examine the rifles I ordered and reserved judgement until I did so. The overwhelming evidence shows these are not Italian arsenal built T2 rifles. Even if by some miracle they are revealed to be some unknown T2 variant they are in a dangerously unsafe condition. The ground and or welded bolts make these rifles unsafe to fire. Bolts should at most be lapped in; to grind or weld on the locking lug surfaces is not an approved practice and is the province of an unskilled amateur. The fact that it was done boggles the imagination.
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