T2 Garand - Part 1

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Megaclocker said:
You guys could all go small claim court with this to get your full money back and maybe even a bit more.
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People are getting their money back. They just aren't getting shipping back. Is it worth going to small claims for $100 bucks? Probably not. And marstar likely knows that.

However, God forbid someone gets hurt, it will be easy enough to show that Marstar knew of the defects highlighted by this thread given his/their viewing history that has been screen captured here, and that they were liable given no recall or public warning has been raised by them given that knowledge. This knowledge is further highlighted by their feedback rating which specifically calls out the T2 being unsafe and not authentic in the feedback comments.

By remaining silent, but evidently aware of the issue, they are actually making things worse for themselves from a liability, marketing and reputation perspective.
 
Tradex told me on the phone that a wholesaler bought up all their receivers.. Only kept the consecutive or low numbered ones.. 1 +1 --2 :)
fenceline said:
Do we know that for sure? Sfrc blew out 200 receivers not one month ago.

If we don't know facts best not to muddy up this thread with assumptions. There is more than enough real facts to be concerned with.
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Zdragunov said:
Tradex told me on the phone that a wholesaler bought up all their receivers.. Only kept the consecutive or low numbered ones.. 1 +1 --2 :)
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Ok. Lots of dealers and wholesalers deal with tradex. The marstar theory is a good theory, but it isn't fact. All I'm saying is let's stick to facts as their are more than enough of those that are concerning already. If someone from trade ex wants to confirm the theory, or refute it, then sweet.

Marstar had 200 builds (if i remember correctly). But sfrc sold 200 stripped receivers to individual buyers this last month too after selling out and getting more stock in. Lots of possibilities to where the Trade Ex receivers went. Marstar is close with Trade Ex and has sold product obtained through trade ex. But again, all theory without confirmation.
 
fenceline said:
People are getting their money back. They just aren't getting shipping back. Is it worth going to small claims for $100 bucks? Probably not. And marstar likely knows that.

However, God forbid someone gets hurt, it will be easy enough to show that Marstar knew of the defects highlighted by this thread given his/their viewing history that has been screen captured here, and that they were liable given no recall or public warning has been raised by them given that knowledge. This knowledge is further highlighted by their feedback rating which specifically calls out the T2 being unsafe and not authentic in the feedback comments.

By remaining silent, but evidently aware of the issue, they are actually making things worse for themselves from a liability, marketing and reputation perspective.
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Marstar doesn't want to go to small claims. They'll refund all of your money back.

I would do it.
 
Wondering how long this will continue on before either 1) CGN Administration does something (and I don't mean locking/deleting pertinent threads!) or 2) J1 responds to the issues.

Any takers on which comes first? The longer this silence extends without so much as an acknowledgment, the worse it looks. In all seriousness though I would hazard to guess the reason J1 is not saying a peep about anything is that he's busy consulting a lawyer. A case can easily hinge on a misplaced word or poorly considered statement-- and the current evidence is pretty damning as it stands. I've tried and failed to come up with any other plausible, realistic reason why a company, particularly such a normally outspoken one, would be holding total silence on this.
 
"I understand people being upset re shipping, but you can replace $120 - you can't replace your face or your life.[/QUOTE]

A BIG yes to that!!!!!
 
rcaf1 said:
"I understand people being upset re shipping, but you can replace $120 - you can't replace your face or your life.

A BIG yes to that!!!!!
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So what you are saying is people should count themselves fortunate that they didn't get insured or killed by Marstar's booby traps, therefore they should happily pay the $120 to send the junk back to John. Right?

That might explain why there are only 4 feedbacks out of 200, they are all happy to still be alive.
 
If Marstar falsely advertised the guns, they should refund all shipping.

Bought from them before, when there were few other online dealers. Their elitist attitude then was not forgotten. If they don't publicly apologize and make things right, the gun community won't forget and will shop elsewhere.
 
Zdragunov said:
Just to point it out to everyone, because someone might missed it earlier.. These receivers are from Tradex. I called them when their receivers disappeared to see if they will have more.. That's when they told me that a wholesaler bought around 200 receivers, I asked who it was they didn't say.. My guess it was Marstar... What are the chances of a noname german gunsmith come up with the idea that hey lets buy all these receivers and bubba them all up and sell back to Canada?? John has all the connections necessary to pull something like this.. I think he just picked the wrong gunsmith...
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hell, he coulda hired you.... haha
 
I would have been happy to assemble these 200 rifles on a piecework basis, provided that bona-fide Italian Tipo 2 military barrels were available besides all of the other parts. I can guarantee that it would have taken a lot longer than 12 minutes per piece and that every one would have worked safely and properly.:)
 
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Just to point it out to everyone, because someone might missed it earlier.. These receivers are from Tradex. I called them when their receivers disappeared to see if they will have more.. That's when they told me that a wholesaler bought around 200 receivers, I asked who it was they didn't say.. My guess it was Marstar... What are the chances of a noname german gunsmith come up with the idea that hey lets buy all these receivers and bubba them all up and sell back to Canada?? John has all the connections necessary to pull something like this.. I think he just picked the wrong gunsmith...


There is only one fly in that ointment. The cost of getting those receivers into Germany and then assembled into complete rifles would have been horrendous. The cost for the paperwork and security as well would have be prohibitive. I'm not saying it didn't happen but there are other factors that would eliminate the idea.
 
Zdragunov said:
Just to point it out to everyone, because someone might missed it earlier.. These receivers are from Tradex. I called them when their receivers disappeared to see if they will have more.. That's when they told me that a wholesaler bought around 200 receivers, I asked who it was they didn't say.. My guess it was Marstar... What are the chances of a noname german gunsmith come up with the idea that hey lets buy all these receivers and bubba them all up and sell back to Canada?? John has all the connections necessary to pull something like this.. I think he just picked the wrong gunsmith...
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ZDRAGUNOV;
I have never heard anything so absurd in all my life.
I Challenge you to prove me wrong....I say you are a liar

You are propagating false information, you have absolutely no knowledge
of what we purchased and from whom we purchased.

If I am wrong and you can provide confirmation of your statements I will pay you $1,000.
on the other hand if we don't see your proof we will assume you are,in fact, a blatant liar
and would expect you to donate $1,000. to the CSSA, how about it big mouth ?
John
 
johnone said:
ZDRAGUNOV;
I have never heard anything so absurd in all my life.
I Challenge you to prove me wrong....I say you are a liar

You are propagating false information, you have absolutely no knowledge
of what we purchased and from whom we purchased.

If I am wrong and you can provide confirmation of your statements I will pay you $1,000.
on the other hand if we don't see your proof we will assume you are,in fact, a blatant liar
and would expect you to donate $1,000. to the CSSA, how about it big mouth ?
John
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Not even something as absurd as the T2 Garands being T2 Garands?

Zdragunov offered a theory. When you don't answer question on an open forum, which you have been shown to be reading, people will start to try to find answers elsewhere.

Compared to the information you provided in your ads on these Garands, you are quite bold to call others out for their validity.

Maybe instead of challenging others on the quality of their information, you can answer questions about the quality of your information posted by several people here.

Will you be paying for shipping both ways on your falsely advertised products? Will you be issuing a recall on the unsafe product?
 
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johnone said:
ZDRAGUNOV;
I have never heard anything so absurd in all my life.
I Challenge you to prove me wrong....I say you are a liar

You are propagating false information, you have absolutely no knowledge
of what we purchased and from whom we purchased.

If I am wrong and you can provide confirmation of your statements I will pay you $1,000.
on the other hand if we don't see your proof we will assume you are,in fact, a blatant liar
and would expect you to donate $1,000. to the CSSA, how about it big mouth ?
John
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After all the posts in this thread this is the one you choose to reply to?

How about instead of making wagers with so called "big mouths" you actually provide the information yourself?

People have legitimate concerns regarding the safety and origin of these rifles. Do you not think your customers deserve to have these concerns addressed?
 
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I stopped dealing with Marstar long ago, primarily because of Johns defensive nature. He doesn't seem to have a level headed bone in his body. That is unfortunate, because I am sure the bring in some fine stuff. But on principal alone I'd rather deal with top notch service providers like Ryan Harriman(SFRC), John Hipwell(wolverine), Travis at JoBrookOutdoors, and the Questar crew. All great experiences, and all get my business moving forward. That said, I do hope this gets resolved without to much drama. John may not deserve that, but his customers certainly do.
 
johnone said:
ZDRAGUNOV;
I have never heard anything so absurd in all my life.
I Challenge you to prove me wrong....I say you are a liar

You are propagating false information, you have absolutely no knowledge
of what we purchased and from whom we purchased.

If I am wrong and you can provide confirmation of your statements I will pay you $1,000.
on the other hand if we don't see your proof we will assume you are,in fact, a blatant liar
and would expect you to donate $1,000. to the CSSA, how about it big mouth ?
John
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Wow John1, people are asking your about your misrepresentation and blatantly false advertising about these UNSAFE parts guns and all you can respond to is an allegation from a user about the source of the receivers?
How about explaining to the buyers and viewers why you continue to advertise these hunks of junk as authentic Tipo 2 rifles when they are most definitely not. Why is your 100% guarantee not cover shipping back to you when your company blatantly lied about the linage and true source of these hacked-together suicide devices (I and other sure as heck wouldn't fire one)?

I would submit no one has been a greater source of false information than yourself.

I challenge to to produce proof that these are actual Tipo 2 rifles, if you can do that, i'll pay you $1000... If not you pay me $1000... deal?

Some would say you are the greatest liar.
 
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