t97 able to fire out of battery?

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diegocn

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Is type 97 capable of firing out of battery?

The theory I've heard is on the select fire type 95, there is an auto sear that blocks the striker, until it's tripped by the bolt going into battery. This device has been deleted on the t97 to keep the rifle in semi-auto.

I checked the firing pin extrusion, it seems like the pin is able to stick out even if the bolt is not in battery (unlike on an AR15 type bolt where firing pin will not protrude unless bolt is in battery).

So does that mean T97 is capable of firing out of battery? I've definitely heard story claiming that, but was not sure whether it was an actual out of battery kaboom, or due to high pressure from bullet being pushed into the case due to feeding issue.
 
diegocn said:
Is type 97 capable of firing out of battery?

The theory I've heard is on the select fire type 95, there is an auto sear that blocks the striker, until it's tripped by the bolt going into battery. This device has been deleted on the t97 to keep the rifle in semi-auto.

I checked the firing pin extrusion, it seems like the pin is able to stick out even if the bolt is not in battery (unlike on an AR15 type bolt where firing pin will not protrude unless bolt is in battery).

So does that mean T97 is capable of firing out of battery? I've definitely heard story claiming that, but was not sure whether it was an actual out of battery kaboom, or due to high pressure from bullet being pushed into the case due to feeding issue.
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Interesting, sounds like the opposite problem the vz58s had. I would put money on the overpressure idea tho, especially on a gen 1 with no feed ramps. Range 519 has a new dud bin at least partially because of this very issue ;)
 
MosinNagantM44 said:
No it cannot be fired out of battery. Same with the sks.
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SKS had a disconnector that must be depressed by the bolt when it sinks into battery (the lever poking out from the hole in front of the hammer). While there is a disconnector on the t97 for semi auto firing purpose (the part that flaps up when the trigger is depressed), there is nothing I can see that prevents the striker from firing until the bolt is in battery.
 
The theory I've heard is on the select fire type 95, there is an auto sear that blocks the striker, until it's tripped by the bolt going into battery.
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People here had even posted photos of the interiors of their 2007(?) T97s that had this feature, before the RCMP seized them all. That feature has since been deleted. It makes me wonder if the RCMP's more recent nonsense prohib rulings were because those T97s slipped by them, and so now they go over every new model with ridiculous scrutiny.

However, the hammer cannot contact the rear of the bolt and strike the firing pin until it is in battery, so that is not a danger.

Under extremely strange circumstances the linear hammer CAN follow the bolt home and strike the firing pin immediately upon going into battery. I have actually tested for this and I found that the cartridge will only discharge if it uses soft commercial primers, and even then it will only have enough force about 25% of the time.
 
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