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I saw the thread in Canada Ammo's forum about the Type 97 orders starting to get processed. That begs the question, how long until we have a mag release set up for the same handedness as the gun?
 
I don't have the answer your looking for, but I sure as heck would buy the upgraded mag release your describing!!!

My T97 on it's way to me!!! (I don't have a tracking number, but I have been billed fully, and the final steps would be transfer and ship...) Ya baby!!!

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I'm not doing one. I've thought hard on it and have done several drawings. But nothing comes close to Norgons patented AR design. Granted, the patent is for an AR, but I'm just a hobby dealer and want nothing to do with strongly worded legal letters. Perhaps someone can come up with a better design, who knows? Also, those with more resources than I will be all over this like Rosie O'donnell on a bucket of KFC. I have to wonder why none of the producers out there didn't buy a rifle from Lever and get to work on this. Maybe they have? I'll buy one for sure when it comes out.

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What type of magazine release are on the type 95 then??

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Looks a lot different than what is on the 97A s that are coming in.
 
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What type of magazine release are on the type 95 then??

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Looks a lot different than what is on the 97A s that are coming in.
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The mags on the 95's are completely different with how they engage the latch.
If there was something Norgon-esque it would be gold and I can't imagine many 97 owners not buying them.
Unfortunately the actual Norgons are a different size, and Clob makes a pretty good point for not wanting to come too close to their design.
 
RobAK said:
The mags on the 95's are completely different with how they engage the latch.
If there was something Norgon-esque it would be gold and I can't imagine many 97 owners not buying them.
Unfortunately the actual Norgons are a different size, and Clob makes a pretty good point for not wanting to come too close to their design.
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I have no doubt KPA, DLASK, Rauch, etc...will come up with something, but please guys, make it out of steel;).

There actually has to be three pieces designed: The mag latch, the threaded rod and the push button. For the mag latch, not only does it have to be able to be pushed out right to left, but it has to be able to pivot towards the back. A roll pin would have to be inserted at the pivot point and peened on each end. A raised roughened surface would have to be machined at the pivot point as your left side mag button. Then you would have to come up with a way to make the push button on the right side of the magazine secure. The T97 button is staked:rolleyes:. You could probably do it by machining a grove just at the end of the threaded rod and using a very small set screw to secure the button once it is threaded onto the rod.

There are other ways to do it, but you would have to have an ungainly push button and attached pivot point which pressed up against the receiver of rifle to make leverage. It's not as elegant at the Norgon design. A pull ring could also be installed on the latch to allow you to pull the latch out to release the mag....

That's the way I see it anyway.:wave:
 
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why don't they make the same mag release as T95??
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The magazine design is based on the caliber, release system based on the mag, shape of the magwell on the mag and magwell is part of the rifle's body. One could change the release on a t-97 and I'm sure we could do it. The cost estimate though is gonna be more then the rifle.

Best to start with a T95. :D

Not to mention the AK type mag release is a bit difficult to use in a bullpup. For once I think the stanag system is a good choice.
 
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The button style magazine button is horrible for bullpup - it is a slacky cheap design solution with no regard of practicality.

The number one complaint of SA80 is the magazine button -look at how you carry the rifle and figure out how many times your magazine button would be released just by bumping around. The SA80 magazine release is even fended.

Pressing a button is a much finer motion, if you hand is not indexed to the button already. It workes well in conventional layout, but not that great in bullpup.

Review how AUG and FN2000 works. Look at how TAVOR designs around the stanag button to create a paddle release -Observe the location of the paddle and the manual of arms:

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While I think Greentips post was well thought out, I doubt a paddle release will be possible without extensive modification of the mag well. I wish we could get the QBZ95 in original config (ammo issues aside). Given the design parameters we have to work with on the T97, a Norgon style release is a more cost effective option. I believe the SA80's problem lies in the mag release design. It's quite large (as it should be).

FWIW, I've heard of no issues with the Norgon design and inadvertent magazine release issues on the AR.
 
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FWIW, I've heard of no issues with the Norgon design and inadvertent magazine release issues on the AR.
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Did you just say you haven't heard of inadvertent mag releases with the AR and Norgon's catch?? Obviously never patroled with a C7A2 before. Since the catch is next to a right handed shooters body and there is no fence around it, one is able to bump the rifle against the tac-vest and cause the mag to drop free. It's really lame....Seen it happen a lot.
 
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Did you just say you haven't heard of inadvertent mag releases with the AR and Norgon's catch?? Obviously never patroled with a C7A2 before. Since the catch is next to a right handed shooters body and there is now fence around it, one is able to bump the rifle against the tac-vest and cause the mag to drop free. It's really lame....Seen it happen a lot.
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I stand corrected, this is the first time I've heard of any issues. I though it was lo pro enough to prevent accidental release.
 
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Did you just say you haven't heard of inadvertent mag releases with the AR and Norgon's catch?? Obviously never patroled with a C7A2 before. Since the catch is next to a right handed shooters body and there is now fence around it, one is able to bump the rifle against the tac-vest and cause the mag to drop free. It's really lame....Seen it happen a lot.
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double tap.
 
I'm a lefty and I've accidently dropped mags with the C7a1 on patrol as well. The problem is with the mag design (flame suit on).

I know we can make the factory release better and ambi but nobody can expect a complete redesign of the magwell to accomodate this. let me rephrase that - Nobody will pay what it will cost for us to supply a completely redesigned magwell for this rifle.

A good solution that the user can isntall in their basement should be no problem.
 
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