T97 update, Sticky.

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I dont understand Torrent1337... its our right for us to own these guns and his right to sell them. i think we should all get together and start hammering them with questions. i'd like to set a fire under their asses for sure. especially when our resources and time are being wasted like this, not to mention tax money.
 
I sent this to the Canadian Firearms program of the RCMP: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca


Hello.

This email is regarding the decision of the RCMP to review the
classification (non-restricted, restricted, prohibited) of the Norinco
Type 97 and 97a bullpup semi-automatic rifle. The Norinco Type 97 fits
all of the proper classifications for a non-restricted bullpup
configuration rifle, with proper barrel length and inabilitay to make
it fully automatic. Regardless of this fact the RCMP has seen fit to
seize a shipment of Type 97 rifles purched by the Canadian firearms
distributor "canadaammo.com" and hold without reason citing a review
of the rifle's status.

Please give any information you have on your desicion to review the
status of the Type 97 rifle, as well as an approximate time frame for
a final decision to be reached.

Thank You.
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i sent the same email to the same email address. all i received was a very short pass off to another agency.

"Thank you for your correspondence.

Firearms being seized at the border, please refer your enquiry to Canada Border Services Agency at 1 800 461-9999.

Sincerely,
Brenda
RCMP Canadian Firearms Program
CPS Communications."
 
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Or you can call the CFC and ask to speak to the Head firearm technician. Ask him a lot of questions.

I've spoken to him, very pleasant fellow, but obviously applying the Haslewander (not sure if I spelled that right) decision, in this case, to feed their own agenda.
 
The problem is the statement in you request, remove that, you do not have to justify your request, don’t bother with broad fishing expeditions, likely you won’t be willing to pay for the material you will be offered, keep the requests short and to the point, makes it harder for them to deny it and easier to comply.

Such as:

Request: All internal and external briefing notes, reports, memos, letters and electronic correspondence held by the RCMP relating to the Norinco/Polytech rifle commonly known as the T97.

In the time frame of Jan 1 2008 to Dec 22 2009

Send a similar but separate request to CBSA

If they come back with a large search time with a high dollar figure, break your request down by type of document or calendar period. A smaller request should only cost you $5.00


My department gets lots of these requests, unlike the RCMP we like to help the public get the information they are entitled to and often suggest to the ATIP office ways for the requesters to reduce the costs of their search.
 
What I got back too:

Me (name taken out),

The firearms would have been "seized" by the Canada Border Services Agency. You may direct your enquiry to their office at 1 800 731-4000 (within Canada), 506-636-5064 (Eastern office) or 204-983-3500 (Western office). You may also access their website at www.cbsa.gc.ca.

Sincerely,
Brenda
RCMP Canadian Firearms Program
CPS Communications
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Ok, so we know that the CBSA is behind this, so we know who to bother. :nest:

How would we go about getting these rifles released? They have no reason to seize them as far as the law goes. Does anybody know of any official channel to getting seized goods released? Should we just keep calling and asking about the shipment?


Request: All internal and external briefing notes, reports, memos, letters and electronic correspondence held by the RCMP relating to the Norinco/Polytech rifle commonly known as the T97.

In the time frame of Jan 1 2008 to Dec 22 2009
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That sounds like a good plan.
 
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Ok, so we know that the CBSA is behind this, so we know who to bother.
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They are just deflecting,it's not the CBSA behind this. It's the RCMP. The RCMP made the determination on the classification of the rifles. The CBSA is just acting on their reccomendation. Talk to the head firearms tech at the CFC. Or check out some of my posts in this thread. I posted about my conversation with him.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336800
 
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I know this isn't going to come out right, but over the last few days I learned that standing up for one off causes won't win you the popular vote. Don't go rouge unless you want to get bashed for going "half-cocked".

From what I was able to gather about the t-97 can-am is doing his part and only time will tell.

With 50,000 members we can do a lot of good.
 
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From Canada Shooting Sports:

Norinco Type 97 Re-Classification and Confiscation



We are frustrated and disappointed with the latest decision of the RCMP to alter the classification of Norinco Type 97 from non restricted to prohibited. The stated reason for the RCMP's reclassification was that this model was "too easily converted to full auto" .

We having been working on this file for over a year and our attempts to resolve this issue have included numerous meetings with the Minister's office some of which at our request included the importers who are caught in the middle of this bureaucratic nightmare.

The CSSA continues to explore all avenues in our attempts to reverse this reclassification, but we have to remember this was an RCMP decision and history has shown they are non responsive to any criticism of their actions, however we all report to someone and in the case of the RCMP that is :



Hon. Vic Toews
Minister of Public Safety
House of Commons

Ottawa, Canada K1A 0A6

FAX: 613-954-5186
 
Whats the story on these, was it an "orders in council" thingy where they just say its prohibited and take it without confiscation, or was it the RCMP unilaterally saying its prohibited without the OIC, or other?

Also, how many Type 97s were ordered (non restricted). Anyone know? Ive read it was high, like 1,200 rifles, but thats internet gossip for ya.

Curious
 
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