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I was on the list for a t T-97. Dont know if there still is a list. I do know that since then i got the RA XCR-223 but would still get one even though I dont need it to support Can Am in this. What a kick in the groin they gave him, everyone that already had one, all on the waiting list for one and the firearms community in general. (Really everyone that lives in Canada firearms owner or not. Stomping on the law abiding public is everyones problem)
 
If these are restricted or non restricted I will buy one for sure. This is a clear cut case of a gun being deemed too scary to own. If that is how the world is working now then there are alot of people that should not pro create due to looks!!!!!!!!! :p
 
Drewz said:
If these are restricted or non restricted I will buy one for sure. This is a clear cut case of a gun being deemed too scary to own. If that is how the world is working now then there are alot of people that should not pro create due to looks!!!!!!!!! :p
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I think its a matter of the gun being too affordable and thus something that the proletariat can own........

lord knows the government doesn't want the masses to be able to afford a bullpup.


As far as scary goes, the IMI Tavor TAR-21 looks much cooler (ie scary)

it costs over $3000.

I think its all about price.......
 
I would like to get on the "it's a plot" bandwagon, but I think this is probably a case of mis-representation on the manufacturers part. If the recievers were full-auto conversions, they are prohibs, period. The part that sucks, is that it closes the door for future imports of semi-auto only recievers if they are banned by name because of these shananigans. My props to canam for bringing them in, sorry you got screwed, I hope you can recoup your investment, I'll give you business if I can.
 
They are not conversions.

Please understand, if ANY more guns become named prohibs, all semi-auto military-style guns will. Once that door is opened, it won't be closed.
 
where is the appeal?

Canam...care to comment on the "status" of the appeal, or the delivery of these rifles.

I have had one on order (deposit paid) since December 2009...or maybe even longer

Is there any chance of these norincos seeing the light of day?

CanAm said:
They are not conversions.

Please understand, if ANY more guns become named prohibs, all semi-auto military-style guns will. Once that door is opened, it won't be closed.
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Steiner said:
CanAm,
How have the donations towards the cause gone so far? Is more monetary support needed?
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The donations are for the s74 hearing, not my case. But, yes, more funds are always needed. Much more that we have already raised. T-shirts still available on our site.

Frankly, the gun lobby needs many millions to do what needs to be done. But, Canadians expect the government to do for them, so are weak at getting involved or donating.
 
CanAm said:
They are not conversions.

Please understand, if ANY more guns become named prohibs, all semi-auto military-style guns will. Once that door is opened, it won't be closed.
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Thanks for piping up. I know it is an ongoing case, so I'm sure you limit your responses on the subject now. Keep up the good fight, I'm on you list for one, nothing would make me happier than you winning this one. If their grounds are invalid, I'm sure you can.
 
I know that the election does not directly assist this case, however it must put some pressure on the "other side". It is clear that the new political masters, are actually THE political masters.

It may be looking at this situation through rose coloured glasses, but I am on the list for TWO rifles... I guess I'm biased! lol...

Oh, and re the T-Shirts: I'm slowly becoming involved with the Carleton University Firearms Club; I wonder if this wouldn't be a perfect "award" for the top three shots our next time out at the range?! :evil:
 
I could say a lot, but won't. There are many changes internally that need to be made.

shoot me an email about the shirts
 
CanAm said:
I could say a lot, but won't. There are many changes internally that need to be made.
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Well hopefully those internal changes are now being brought to the light of the Government that we pay for. I really don't care if the election was just won on Monday, we need to hammer them every single day until we get everything we need so that when the next government gets is they can't do anything to us, and they should be afraid to try because of what we accomplished here.
 
Halger280HVMag said:
OUCH!:(
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5946428#post5946428
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After reading the decision - I must agree with the OUCH!!!

I will say that one good precedent was set for firearms owners - that being the refusal of the Tribunal to go "in camera" (ie - no one other than the expert witness, the CBSA, and the Tribunal in the room) when Mr Smith demonstrated that the T97A could be easily converted to FA. At least Mr Youngson could actually see how it was done, thus protecting his right to question evidence brought in by CBSA. That would have been pretty damned hard to do had the demonstration been "in camera".

I hope CanadaAmmo is allowed to return these products to China and get a refund from Norinco. Hopefully, Norinco will redesign and manufacture T97A-type rifles so they can't be easily converted to FA.

Call them Type 87B maybe???:D
 
Prohibited firearms cannot be exported to China.

We were never shown how the conversion was done, only the theory behind it, and an explanation of the internal parts, which of course were obvious.

As I said in the other thread, take that document with a grain of salt.

For those who are really interested, I can send the transcript. One thing that was humourous is that crown expert asserted the SKS was supposed to be a full-auto design, which is why is had a similar safety sear to the T97. This after he stated the safety sear on the T97 was indicative of a full-auto. I just about pissed myself.
 
jmiddy said:
So any other avenues to challange or is this it!
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Yes, this is simply an appeal of the CBSA tariff classification.

The RCMP would likely have blocked our registering the guns even if we had won here, since the ruling would not change the FRT labs opinion (they are the ones who made the decision for CBSA).

We are no further ahead, but also no further behind in our case.

I was hoping the minister might step in to compensate the dealers, as was done with the owners, but he seems to be ignoring the issue, so we fight on.
 
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