Tactical reloading

Caboose said:
Of our friends who are permitted to carry, I wonder how many of them tote around four or five mags?

Tactical reload...meh. IMO your better off practicing drawing from concealment, point shooting and weapon retention during a struggle.

Isn't a handgun supposed to be used to fight your way back to your rifle?
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Ideally yes, but the reality is that not all shoot situations will permit you to leave, seek your rifle, or finish the job with one magazine. Spare ammunition is a must. How many spare mags you carry is a personal choice. Remember, not only are you carrying spare ammo, you're also carrying a spare mag in the event the one in the gun fails.

TDC
 
Contondant said:
I read once that something like 56% of LEO shootouts in the States occurs within 5 feet. Speed is of the essence, not a rifle.
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Your statistics are incorrect. Regardless, are you willing to ignore the other 44% of situations where a reload, cover, a rifle, or a partner were instrumental in success??

TDC
 
You won't catch me arguing... I'm agreeing with you. I'm just saying the point of a pistol is not to give you something to shoot whilst you work your way back to a rifle.
 
Well, no, that's rediculous. You have to strike a balance... obviously if it takes you too long to score your hits it won't matter because you'll be dead. IPSC has three factors Diligencia, Vis, Celeritas (Accuracy, power, speed) which have to be balanced in order to win.

My point above was that if you're within five feet of your target, speed will be of the essense with accuracy taken for granted cause anybody ought to be able to hit anything at that range.

But you missed my original point, again, which was to argue against the "handgun supposed to be used to fight your way back to your rifle" statement.
 
Contondant said:
My point above was that if you're within five feet of your target, speed will be of the essense with accuracy taken for granted cause anybody ought to be able to hit anything at that range.
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and your point is wrong..... just because your only 5 feet from your target does not mean your going to hit your target.... I have seen lots of people miss at that distance shooting *DPA stuff. (and *DPA is probably only 20-40% as stressful as real world encounter)

whats that saying, "you can't miss fast enough"..... taking accuracy for granted is like assuming your parents never have ### anymore.
 
If you can find me a LEO who can't hit a man sized target five feet away then I won't point out that the target, who should have much less training, will probably be trying to unload in the LEOs direction as fast as he can...

Well, I suppose you should probably take your time, acquire that front sight, steady your stance, let out half a breath and slowly squeeze the trigger until the firearm surprises you with a *pop*.

In this sit, you want to point shoot as fast as possible. The training should guide your accuracy.
 
Speed is fine and accuracy is final! However the one who can do both is the one that survives. Is that not why we train in the first place?
 
The first time I went on the RUC Garnerville range I hit the 3m target from concealed as it was rotating out. Because I was applying Marksmanship Principles and squeezing slowly with a super sight picture. The instructor took my revolver out of my hand and showed me how to fire from the hip (Fairburne, as I now know)."Aim high, shooting him in the bal_s will just annoy him". Words to live by.
If the target is close enough, you don't have to worry about accuracy. Or you won't have time to worry about accuracy.
 
Seems reasonable. Like I said, you need to be able to balance all factors. At that range, speed becomes more important while, as range gets bigger, accuracy will become more so.
 
Contondant has it right. Accuracy is great, but if you can't apply it fast enough it isn't worth a damn. The goal in defensive shooting is to make fist sized groups as fast as possible. The single hole group is of no value to the defensive shooter, and little value to the competitive shooter when you keep in mind the size of the A zone.

"Fighting your way to the rifle you never should have put down in the first place" is indeed the reasoning behind a handgun. A rifle will always beat a handgun in a gunfight. Of course carrying a rifle is impractical(for those in a free country) but the idea that your pistol is used to fight your way to your rifle holds true. The rifle in question could be in your car, garage, locker or some other location. The goal in a gunfight is to survive, not shoot the assailant. Often shooting the assailant is the solution to surviving but its not a required component. As we already know, a rifle trumps a handgun. If the proverbial rifle is not readily at hand your goal is still the same, you seek the means to survive. That means could be a safe location, your car, or returning to your home and your rifle. You seek or retreat to an environment of safety and that safety can include several elements or only one.

The rifle you "fight to" could be anything that provides that safe environment.

TDC
 
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