Tactical Side by Side

brybenn said:
For what's available for the tactical sxs market you're better off finding a good condition Russian or German double and chop the barrels and drill and tap the ribs for any lights or lasers you wish to add. The stock can be cut as well with respect to legal overall length limits.
First major important thing about a tactical gun should be reliability not looks. I'd trust a rusty old baikal to fire more than just about anything else of earth. Plus with a baikal if you don't wanna reload it makes a useful club
I once saw a video of a Russian knocking out wild boar happy Gilmore style using an ij58 double
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Hmmm. Idk how legal or illegal chopping shotgun barrels is ( There is a reason Dlask makes 14 inch "factory" barrels, and it's not because we're incapable of chopping a stock barrel down to 14").

Legalities aside, unless you know how the barrel is made, where the forcing cone stops, where the choke is, what the diameter is; you just might be making a useless piece of garbage by chopping the barrel down. You really don't know.
 
Painkillers said:
Hmmm. Idk how legal or illegal chopping shotgun barrels is ( There is a reason Dlask makes 14 inch "factory" barrels, and it's not because we're incapable of chopping a stock barrel down to 14").

Legalities aside, unless you know how the barrel is made, where the forcing cone stops, where the choke is, what the diameter is; you just might be making a useless piece of garbage by chopping the barrel down. You really don't know.
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It's perfectly legal to cut a sxs barrel set down to 19" and trim the stock to a pistol grip. Most guns this will still give you over 26" overall length. I've cut down quite a few sxs guns and they function just fine with the cylinder bores
Cutting a sxs to 19" will not effect the forcing cones at all. No sxs has forcing cones that long
Case in point is brobee on this site he's been posting videos of his chopped down bss

Impressive groups with slugs and buckshot and plenty of video to back it up
 
brybenn said:
It's perfectly legal to cut a sxs barrel set down to 19" and trim the stock to a pistol grip. Most guns this will still give you over 26" overall length. I've cut down quite a few sxs guns and they function just fine with the cylinder bores
Cutting a sxs to 19" will not effect the forcing cones at all. No sxs has forcing cones that long
Case in point is brobee on this site he's been posting videos of his chopped down bss

Impressive groups with slugs and buckshot and plenty of video to back it up
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...19" is 5" more than 14". Some guns "cylinder bore" is the actual choke near the end of the barrel. Chop that C choke off, and you'd be throwing 12 gauge shot down a 10 bore barrel. JS.

I really have no idea where the law stands on chopping barrels, I just don't think it's a "good" idea.
If the gun has to be 26" overall, does a 6" barrel on a 20.5" stock make the gun non-restricted if I were to do it myself, is one question. The other of course is, what kind of performance are you going to get out of a 6", in the forcing cone, barrel?

From Brobee's data sets, if I'm reading them correctly, an 18" barrel is really as short as you can go without a precipitous drop off in performance.

Here's where Ai shines:
In Canada, a shotgun is classified as restricted if its barrel length is less than 470 mm (18.5 inches). Additionally, a shotgun can be classified as restricted if its overall length is less than 660mm (26 inches), even if the barrel length is greater than 470mm.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Non-Restricted:
    Shotguns with a barrel length of 470mm (18.5 inches) or greater are generally considered non-restricted.

  • Restricted:
    Shotguns with a barrel length of less than 470mm (18.5 inches) are classified as restricted, requiring specific licensing, registration, and storage requirements.

  • Prohibited:
    Shotguns that have been altered by sawing, cutting, or other modifications to have a barrel length less than 457mm (18 inches) are classified as prohibited. Altering a firearm to reduce its overall length to less than 660mm (26 inches) also results in prohibited status.
Important Considerations:
  • Factory-Made Short Barrels Shotguns that are manufactured with barrels shorter than 470mm (18.5 inches) are legal in Canada, provided they meet other length requirements (e.g., overall length of at least 660mm).
  • Overall Length:
    A shotgun's overall length is also a factor in its classification, especially if the barrel length is 470mm or more.

  • Semi-automatic:
    If a shotgun is semi-automatic and has a barrel length less than 470mm, it is automatically classified as restricted.
So, you can't chop a barrel down any more than 18" it's prohibited. Cutting the barrel down to 19" and cutting the stock off also makes the gun prohibited if doing so makes it shorter than 26" overall.

You can however buy a factory made short barrel (referred to as 14" but they're usually 14.5"), and it's still non-restricted provided that it's 26" overall.

A semi-auto shotgun cannot have a short barrel without being restricted...and once it's restricted, you know what the Liberals will do to it.
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It's perfectly legal to chop a sxs to 19" that gives extra room for error when measuring

The op is looking for a sxs. There's not many 14" barreled sxs guns on the market and fewer that can match the reliability of older doubles like baikals and Merkels and AyAs. These older doubles were built with quality steel and wood and can be had cheaper than most new cheap Turkish guns

A tactical style double would be most effective at short range. Cylinder chokes are most common on such guns. A pistol gripped double with 19" barrels can offer alot of performance and can be a very versatile gun. I've shot skeet and small game as well as turkey with several of mine
 
I have a dream of a short barreled sxs that is regulated for slugs. I'd happily drop a couple k + on such a thing.

Some claim successful regulation on homebrewed chop jobs but I've never seen it beyond 25 yards.

There's lots of o/u "tactical" guns these days, many options on tenda. I've had a few including what was supposedly a higher tier steel receiver one. Didn't regulate for #### and impossible to get rid of without taking a bath.
 
Standard Mfg. DP-12; not your traditional SxS but it does have two barrels side-by-side, it is very "tactical", it is also a pump-action and it is currently NR, though take that with a grain of salt as whatever you buy today can be banned tomorrow by decree without notice.
 
What load should I shoot out of this thing for defense against a zombie or a bear that got into your home and wanted to get you?

Is there a good 12 gauge "defense" load?
 
Federal 00 buck flight control reduced recoil if you can find it. If not Hornady Black 8 pellet 00 buck has a similar wad that also provides tight patterns. It is a hotter load at 1600 fps compared to Federal. Hornady Black will serve dual duty as a decent hunting round as well. Federal reduced recoil not so much. Whatever you land on, check how your gun patterns from each barrel and for each ammo type you intend to use. Typically 5m intervals out to whatever you figure your max range with 00 buck may be (e.g. 40m). Most practice with cheaper 00 buck like Challenger or MILI ammo.

Edit: FYI Tenda showing both Federal Flight Control and Hornady Black in stock
 
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AR15meister said:
What load should I shoot out of this thing for defense against a zombie or a bear that got into your home and wanted to get you?

Is there a good 12 gauge "defense" load?
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Any buckshot. I like #4 for the reduced wall penetration lol. There are lots of fun rubber 12ga loads too. Lightfield makes a bunch that seem easy to get. (Unless 'bear' wasn't a euphemism, do you live in Revelstoke? Slug for bears, walls be damned.)

Just stay away from anything labelled defense or tactical. Not because there is anything wrong with it. You are just getting upcharged for them writing it on the box.
 
brybenn said:
It's perfectly legal to chop a sxs to 19" that gives extra room for error when measuring
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I agree, with the old BailkaI. I had one of the Stoger Double Defense. It was OK, if it was 18", I may have kept it. {20" factory/felt front heavy} You can chop 'em down to 18"..but, ya..19 = room for error, if yer worried on it ;)
 
Johnyy said:
I agree, with the old BailkaI. I had one of the Stoger Double Defense. It was OK, if it was 18", I may have kept it. {20" factory/felt front heavy} You can chop 'em down to 18"..but, ya..19 = room for error, if yer worried on it ;)
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19" no one can argue no matter how they measure it. Also you get a cleaner birdshead grip on most sxs guns when cutting the stock to remain over the 26" limit as that extra inch on the barrels saves a wing on the back of the grip.
 
conor_90 said:
Cool gun Brobee

How does it regulate with slugs after the chop?
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I lucked out, they are within 2 inches at 50 meters with Rio Royal Brennekes. The reason I went the BSS way was I was totally dissatisfied with the regulation of the two Stoeger coach guns I tried.
 
Brobee said:
I lucked out, they are within 2 inches at 50 meters with Rio Royal Brennekes. The reason I went the BSS way was I was totally dissatisfied with the regulation of the two Stoeger coach guns I tried.
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Nice

I'm craving a coach gun, but I don't know if I want to roll the dice on a Brazilian or Turkish gun.

Ball and shot guns are something of an obsession for me too.

This is the second example of someone cutting down a better made gun and having it half ass regulate. I've considered an intersurplus german or brno and a hack job, but Germans have told me that it was common in east Germany to site in one barrel due to a failure to regulate with slugs
 
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