tacticals for hunting?

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I like the looks of the tactical type rifles but most seem to be fairly heavy for extended packing. Any suggestions for a .308 rifle without wood or chrome that'd be a decent bush rifle yet still deliver excellent accuracy? Maybe this is too much to expect from one rifle but that's all I'll have room for right now. Budget in the $1000 range.
 
Savage 12FV, bed it, mount an elite 3200 10X, 3X9, Nikon Buckmaster 4X14 or whatever and enjoy. Whole rig will weight around 10lbs.

Will proper handloads, should have no issue going sub MOA.

Jerry
 
Put a variable scope on it if you're going to use it routinely as a hunting rig. The savage will be one of the best value precision rifles you'll find especially for that price range
 
There are few constants in the universe, but Jerry's love of Savage and Jamie's love of Remington are as predictable as you will ever find :) Jerry is a shooting god, so he's safe to listen-to! I've never seen Jamie shoot...

For a hunting rig, I agree a Savage is an excellent choice, as is a Remington... but for guaranteed sub-MOA accuracy out of the box, I'd buy a Tikka T-3. (and have on several occasions)
 
thanks for the input guys

Jerry, from what I see on the Savage site the 12FV looks like it's a good deal. I don't see it listed in any of the sponsor's sites, any ideas whop carries them?
 
Now I dont think we are supposed to advertise for other stores but there is a great little store in london here called gobles, if they dont have it in they will get it in and I have seen that on their site at www.gobles.ca hope that helps:)
 
Only use Gobles as a last resort. You will save a bundle shopping elsewhere. I don't understand their markup. You'll be able to buy gun and scope for the same price as just a gun at Gobles. Buying something there without shopping around is doing yourself a grave injustice. I priced a firearm at Gobles. Their quote 1250.00. Le Barons price 900.00. Guess where I bought.
 
Jerry is a shooting god
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A God? LMFAO...While no doubt experienced, isn't that taking things a bit too far? Nut hugger...:jerkit:...:p

Yes, opinions here a relatively polarized and you pretty much know who is going to recommend one brand or another. It's pretty much a given.

I like the looks of the tactical type rifles but most seem to be fairly heavy for extended packing. Any suggestions for a .308 rifle without wood or chrome that'd be a decent bush rifle yet still deliver excellent accuracy? Maybe this is too much to expect from one rifle but that's all I'll have room for right now. Budget in the $1000 range.
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Dude. Seriously. This question comes up at least once a week in this forum. I'm sure the last thread hasn't even dropped from the top of this page. This topic has been beat to death many, many times already.

Ok, so here's a question for you guys who constantly ask about hunting with tactical or target rifles. Why is it you guys want to do this? Are you looking to live out your "sniper fantasies" on unsuspecting game? Seriously, I don't see the allure or glamour here.
 
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Ok, so here's a question for you guys who constantly ask about hunting with tactical or target rifles. Why is it you guys want to do this? Are you looking to live out your "sniper fantasies" on unsuspecting game? Seriously, I don't see the allure or glamour here.
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For me... its because I don't have a lot of cash to put into a rifle, let alone two.

So I went with the Savage 12FV in .243. I can shoot at the range all day when we go and print some very nice groups. During the winter I can use it on coyotes, during the spring and summer on gophers, and on deer in the fall.

I do reload, so for me, this was a logical and economical choice. It will most likely be years before my next rifle purchase.
 
2bad4u2 said:
A God? LMFAO...While no doubt experienced, isn't that taking things a bit too far? Nut hugger...:jerkit:...:p
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Nut Hugger?

Unlike so much BS that gets thrown around here by people who make their points by being ignorant (Sound familiar?) he genuinely knows what he is talking about and he freely shares what he knows. He has outstanding technical knowledge and if you have ever met him face to face you'd know. He's also pretty competent with a rifle. He's worthy of some credibility.
 
Obtunded, I am blushing....Stop it, Stop it, no maybe a bit more, stop it....

Yep, on a big Savage binge right now. They should put up a separate sticky for Jamie and me. We can put down all our brand loving mush and save HUGE amounts of bandwidth posting stuff over and over.

But then, this forum would be pretty empty :)

You guys stop practising or else next year I'll be the one getting my butt kicked.

I shy away from recommending Tikka although they make GREAT rifles simply due to the big price spread. The Savage and Rem plastic wonders are pretty much the same price. But the Tikka is a few hundred bucks more.

Still have to bed, still have to work up loads, rings and mags are very expensive. Don't think Burris supports the Tikka rails yet so that is a huge minus. Not good value. They are pretty but I will never be accused on recommending based on looks....Yes, the peanut gallery can stop yipping anytime now.

Now any of the true Rem users can correct me (I hope sooner then later) but the quality of Rems has slippped badly. Under new manangement, I can hope that QC/Accuracy has been raised. Since there is such a lag from the US to Canada, we may not see these new gen rifles for a bit. Maybe they are already here??????

At the same time, Savage has kicked things up a huge notch. The quality of their barrels and how well these rifles shoots is very well documented by hundreds of successful owners.

I am certainly not alone in having factory rifles shoot well under MOA. That is very impressive. The growing aftermarket is catching on.

Win and Ruger have kind of been left in the shadows although very good rifles. Just not alot of stuff available. HOWA is another very interesting make. Usually very well made but again, not alot of stuff. Besides, most would rather throw money at a Rem action then any other make.

At this point in time, Savage/Stevens actions work great right out of the box. Saving even more money/time/energy when building up a custom barreled rig.

Let's hope Savage doesn't start resting on their laurels and drop the ball....

Jerry
 
Jerry,

Savage is certainly a company that is willing to try different things to appeal to a wider market. I kind of admire them for that. Unlike some other companies that seem to build things they want to build and not what people are looking to buy.

You can easily see how Savage has influenced the market and it's competitors - especially Remington. One only has to look at the SPS and SPS Varmint series of rifles to see that Remington is being a follower rather than the leader they once were.

Check out "Big Green's" new triangular barreld varmint rifle for 2008. Who in God's name dreamed that up? I mean really? Marketing blunders like that will no doubt shake consumer confidence in the Remington brand.

As far as Rem's quality issues, I've bought (4) SPS's, (1) VSF Varmint, and (1) LTR in the last (3) years and so far and the SPS's are what you would expect for that price range. The stock certainly isn't top tier but they're perfectly functional and are not flimsy in the forend as much as the typical Savage FV series. The VSF and LTR are a very nice rifles with the former having a decent bluing.

The only Savage I've bought was a pre-Accutrigger Mk. 2 BV Lakefield...err...Savage. While the laminate wood stock is nice, the rest of the rifle leaves me underwhelmed. Still, not too bad of a purchase for 300 clams.
 
Brand loyalty is what brings customers back but can seriously nip you in the butt if you disappoint the next time. Rem is doing itself no favors and using up ALOT of customer good will. Mine included.

I used to have a bunch of different Rems. Made a number of custom rifles off these actions too. The pinnacle, at least to me, of the Rem 700 was my Classic in 222. What a nice rifle and did it ever shoot!!!!!

Then the Stevens rifles came out and the rest they say is history.

I played with an SPS a few years ago to see if this was a nice entry point again into the Rems. WOW, what a dissapointment. Gritty, poorly finished, not much more exciting then the Norinco I had just gotten rid of. Then I hear that accuracy has dropped and becomes quite spotty.

Back to my Stevens which enjoyed very nice gloss bluing, superbly shooting barrels, triggers that were easily changed, a modular platform that was coming into its own in the aftermarket. Perfect timing....

Over the last 3 yrs, I have played with over a dozen Savage/Stevens in different formats and cals. They all shoot with several hovering at 1/2 min at 200yds. That's very close to match quality rifles.

The match rifles I have built have offered performance every bit as good as the true BR actions.

Now Savage is putting on better stocks, AWESOME center feed mags, triggers, while still maintaining performance at dirt cheap pricing.

SIR is now LISTING the Stevens for $299.99. For $350 in your home, you have a rifle that can shoot with ANYTHING on a dealers shelf. Pretty hard to argue with that.

These plastics stocks vary from run to run. Some have been really good, like your Rems.

Yes, I yip about the benefits of the Savage/Stevens and feel justified. They offer great value and performance to the average shooter and give competition shooters a platform that can do very well.

I will always be a strong advocate in keeping this sport affordable. Car racing used to be a sport ALOT of younger people did. Lots of garage hot rods. Today, with the costs skyrocketing, this sport is in decline.

Spending $1000 and having a nice shooting rifle will get a whole lot more involved, then a $5000 entry fee.

Jerry
 
SIR is now LISTING the Stevens for $299.99. For $350 in your home, you have a rifle that can shoot with ANYTHING on a dealers shelf. Pretty hard to argue with that.
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Wow, great price on that. In fact, I might buy one in .243 Win. to see what all the fuss is about. The Steevens don't take the same bases as the Accurtrigger models, correct?
 
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I certainly am not going to toss out my 12FV any time soon. That said, most modern Savages shoot pretty well. You should be able to get one set up nicely and still be on budget.

Bob
 
From what I have been told, the Savage and Stevens action start down the same production line. As Savage orders gets filled, any overage, not rejects, becomes Stevens with a different trigger group and coloured stock.

That is why you can have gorgeous gloss blued and matte actions. Varying stock shapes. The Stevens is made up of whatever isn't needed. Best part is the barrels are the same quality as the Savage so we get shooters.

If you don't like a heavy trigger (Stevens are 2.5 to 3lbs trigger), you might want to consider the Savage of the same layout but with the Accutrigger. You will get a 1.5lbs (maybe a bit lighter) trigger for the same cost as buying an aftermarket trigger. NO hassles and you can even get an awesome D mag.

I buy the Stevens because I am going to swap almost every part and want super light triggers. No use paying for the Savage/Accutrigger....

Jerry
 
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