Taipan evo scout
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Some people don't like the non Pistol grip design of the EVo and prefer the buffer tube and pistol grip option on the Scout
Some prefer a 12.5" barrel over the 16"
Some like the option of straight pull handle and pump that the Aussi gun has over the pump only on the troy
Some prefer that the Troy action locks up and has an action release where as the Aussi gun relies on the return spring of the action to keep the bolt in battery.
The troy does not have a spring that drives the action forward and needs to be cycled manually in both directions where as the Aussi gun you can pull the charging handle or pump to the rear, let go and the spring will cycle the bolt forward.
Which one is better depends on what attributes you like and don't like between them.
Some prefer a 12.5" barrel over the 16"
Some like the option of straight pull handle and pump that the Aussi gun has over the pump only on the troy
Some prefer that the Troy action locks up and has an action release where as the Aussi gun relies on the return spring of the action to keep the bolt in battery.
The troy does not have a spring that drives the action forward and needs to be cycled manually in both directions where as the Aussi gun you can pull the charging handle or pump to the rear, let go and the spring will cycle the bolt forward.
Which one is better depends on what attributes you like and don't like between them.
ability to use both pump and side charging is pretty essential. Down on the ground and over barricade + support, side charging or traditional bolt action will work. Pump and lever only are ok for standing up actions only, but not for things down on the ground and behind barricades.
See why in WW1 and WW2 they stuck with bolt action.
Also - it is a .223. Really 11" is all that is needed. 12.5" is really for the legal thing.
And YEs, 300 black out will be nice with this.
The thing I do like about my Taipan is the fact that I opt for straight pull, I can just easily remove the pump foreend plastic pieces. If I take it to my club and put it on a rest/beanbag, that pump mechanism gets in the way. But for standing up or even if someone were to (hypothetically) use it for HD, the pump is essential. The fact that it can function as an either/or makes it a more compelling value proposition.
I would definitely take the 12.5" over 16" or worse.
The spring assist on the X (presumably on Evo and Scout) can be helpful but the absence of a foreend lock also it can be annoying with any slight movement the gun goes out of battery. It doesn't take long to get used how to hold the gun to reduce the chance of this happening, but it still happens.
Adjustable stock on the Evo Scout is definitely a gamechanger for those need shorter LOP (I already removed the two spacers out of my X to try to alleviate).
I am actually pretty happy an Australian company came up with this. With similar (albeit not identical) gun laws and restrictions there, I have always used Australia as the basis for (maybe bad presumption on my part) that if it is legal there, it should be ok here.
I certainly wish more Canadian companies came up with these types of things but given the political climate, I understand the reluctance. In the meantime, will be for sure looking for the Scout to come to Canada. I can forego the Evo for sure and wait
As much as manual action .223 carbines make me puke in my mouth a bit, the scout looks like a good option. I'd actually like to see it with the option of 12.5 and 16" given that 16" is as short as you can go and run a folder. With the AR buffer tube setup on the scout it'll be easy to add a folder and honestly, for something like a truck gun, given the same OAL when stowed (12.5" with stock collapsed vs 16" with stock folded) I much prefer the added velocity (for 75/77gr ammo) the 16" barrel gives you seeing as it's still pretty compact (since we can't run cans anyways).
I agreed with the above. Kinda want to see what precision it can get before feeding it expensive and labour intensive pills.
The advantage of precision 223 is in semi auto format for high volume of low recoil precision fire - but if that is not available it makes more sense to jump straight to a light weight intermediate cartridge 6.5 bolt platform.
I kinda see this pump / manual action more of a pest control platform, maybe if one day IPSC will officially make this useable for rifle matches as handgun shooters participation start dwindling due to lack of handgun transfers, then match grade pills will make sense again.
The advantage of precision 223 is in semi auto format for high volume of low recoil precision fire - but if that is not available it makes more sense to jump straight to a light weight intermediate cartridge 6.5 bolt platform.
I kinda see this pump / manual action more of a pest control platform, maybe if one day IPSC will officially make this useable for rifle matches as handgun shooters participation start dwindling due to lack of handgun transfers, then match grade pills will make sense again.
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I see this more as a less effective stand-in for a precision gas gun as opposed to a replacement for a 6.5 precision rifle. It should still be faster to shoot (cause of pump and/or straight-pull) unsupported/dynamic than a traditional bolt gun and (if handloading) is still significantly cheaper to feed match ammo to than a 6.5. If it won't shoot match ammo sub-2moa that kinda goes out the window but imo it would really need a terrible barrel to shoot that bad. So yeah, varmint/pest/truck gun with an LPVO, offset red dot and weapon-light kinda rig. Only cause things in this country have gone full-regard thanks to the LPC and the dip####s who vote for them...
The concept of use of this pump/handle action may work with something like 6 ARC - if it works slow it makes sense to get more out of each shot. Fast split time that sort of things doesn't apply anymore, like back to 7,62 battle rifle.
223 is cheap and has a good supply chain, other than that those short 6 and 300 subsonic type makes more paper sense.
223 is cheap and has a good supply chain, other than that those short 6 and 300 subsonic type makes more paper sense.
