Taking guns apart to clean

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I have always been a strong advocate of not taking guns apart to clean, on the basis that it is not necessary, and has the real risk of losing small pins, springs and screws, plus maybe the owner can't get it back together again.
I have often mentioned the 1911 era Winchester 94 in 30-30 that I got from a retired rancher, who's ranching ancestors had bought it new and it spent about eighty years of its life as a working ranch rifle. The thick leather scabbard I bought with the rifle was hard as a board, but applying neats foot oil, as the rancher told me to, brought it back to excellent condition. My point is that the rifle had obviously never been taken apart, yet was not rusted, including the bore, which would likely rate between very good and excellent. It was plain that the rifle had never been taken apart, because every screw was in place and no screw had any mark whatsoever from a screw driver and no owner, farmer, rancher or what, can take the screws out without leaving a mark in the slot from a screw driver. I am posting pictures to illustrate what I am saying. It once had a tang sight on it, which meant drilling and tapping the tang, thus the main tang screw has marks on it where it had been taken out.
Just look at the condition the metal is in after all those years of hard use, without having been taken apart. Those owners certainly knew how to look after a rifle! That twisted wire on the bottom of the butt stock took the place of the saddle ring, for holding it on a horse.
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Yeah. I shudder when I read about "complete disassembly". On some of my handguns, I take the grips off, take it out on the back step and give it a hosing with G96 or WD40. Let it sit for a while, then back step and a hosing with brake cleaner. A tiny bit of suitable oil in the right places, clean the bore, replace the grips, done. I have seen some real dillys come in to gun shows, mainly the screw slots all buggered up. Oh well, I know the "it's your gun, do what you want with it" line.
 
Pretty neat seeing something that old that has stood the test of time.

I do agree with you though, most rifles will never need to be fully disassembled to sufficiently clean them unless you're running a semi auto that sees upwards of 10k rounds per year.
 
I remember shooting this ol' lass there Mr. H.
She's gartzs sooo much character that she's drop dead gorgeeeyuss.
You kept'er well hidden under the frunt furr rack.
Great example of yews'in yer ker-pows and wear'in the rust awff it.
I do beleaf they made nawn rust-yew-lust ferrous back in the day.

Thanks for the pleasurable memory jawg there Mr. Powder-guy.
 
I disassemble rifles when I buy them used regardless of appearance. You never know what kind of life or maintenance they've had with previous owners. After that the only time I take them down is when I've been out in extremely wet or dirty conditions. Other than that I normally clean the bore and wipe down and oil the rifle.
 
:) Good post Bruce. I have an old and well used Marlin 1894 in 44-40 that I acquired from a relative a few years ago. Shows lots of honest wear & tear but to the best of my knowledge, its never been disassembled for cleaning etc. Here's a couple of photos and every once in a while, I take it out and run a few cast bullet loads through it. ;) Just to clean the spiders out of the barrel. There's a lot of family history and use of it in the field, on a wide variety of game and, its the first center fire rifle I ever shot.



 
Wow, there's a tool that earned its keep, very nice. That winchester assembly thread struck a cord eh? I agree, id wager alot of undo damage has been done by bubba and a improper screwdriver. My rifles and shotguns come apart when I first take possession, they get a good cleaning, oiling and waxing where needed and go back together. I have pulled my 94 apart once, in my garage trying to grab a spray can for my gongs, set my gun down and knocked a bucket of paint off the shelve and covered it in the most god awful shade of robin egg blue. It's could not have hit the rifle any worse. In that moment I felt one big collective spiritual backhand from dad and grandpa. Anywho I found out how fun they are to fully strip, makes a guy think long and hard what does what and where what goes. Not like a 92. Man you guys, them levers just ooze character!
 
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Taking guns apart to clean....

I am a strong believer in maintenance of anything mechanical. However I believe that:
- maintenance should be performed only when required, and
- by a qualified person

Tinkering and over/wrong lubing and/or mis-reassembly has caused many more issues than just leaving it alone...
 
Disassembling lever actions is for people with way too much time on their hands, or if they enjoy frustration. :)

But I agree, few firearms need to be completely taken apart for cleaning. Or, those that do can usually be broken down into a handful of main components to clean, lube and put back together easily.

And many guns are cleaned long before they need to be cleaned to function properly. I won't clean an AR15 until it's shot 1000 rounds, an SKS more like 1500++, most handguns will go 1000 or thousands and thousands more. Your bolt action might drop off a bit in accuracy without cleaning the bore, but it will still function fine without taking it apart and cleaning every bit. A bit of lube, a wipe down to prevent rust and most guns don't need much taking apart.
 
Disassembling lever actions is for people with way too much time on their hands, or if they enjoy frustration. :)

But I agree, few firearms need to be completely taken apart for cleaning. Or, those that do can usually be broken down into a handful of main components to clean, lube and put back together easily.

And many guns are cleaned long before they need to be cleaned to function properly. I won't clean an AR15 until it's shot 1000 rounds, an SKS more like 1500++, most handguns will go 1000 or thousands and thousands more. Your bolt action might drop off a bit in accuracy without cleaning the bore, but it will still function fine without taking it apart and cleaning every bit. A bit of lube, a wipe down to prevent rust and most guns don't need much taking apart.

In respect of your 19,854 posts on this forum, I respect your comments and note that we disagree on nothing in this regard.

Well stated.
 
As Mentioned if your not qualified don't touch it but guys seem to think because they are guys they are automatically qualified to work on guns . I have been in the firearm industry for 35 + yrs and I have seen all kind off none sense when it comes to firearms .
 
Taking guns apart to clean....

I am a strong believer in maintenance of anything mechanical. However I believe that:
- maintenance should be performed only when required, and
- by a qualified person

Tinkering and over/wrong lubing and/or mis-reassembly has caused many more issues than just leaving it alone...

Well put. Having spent a good number of years on the tools and later in maintenance supervision in a Pulp & Paper mill, I agree with your points made.
 
Awww guhhhh-fawwwwwwwwwh, I'm always up furr a challenge.
I've had my 94 apart, my Marlins, 69A's, a Model 1200.............aye gunrunner100.
And a few t'uthers.
 
I disassemble rifles when I buy them used regardless of appearance. You never know what kind of life or maintenance they've had with previous owners. After that the only time I take them down is when I've been out in extremely wet or dirty conditions. Other than that I normally clean the bore and wipe down and oil the rifle.
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If you are going to take something apart down to the pins and springs level you need one of those magnetic trays that mechanics use. Size of the tray should be determined by how many bits and pieces are enclosed in the firearm.
 
I took a 94 apart because the hammer would drop from Half #### if the trigger was pulled. I found out there is a right direction and wrong direction to replace the locking block. Had to disassemble again to rectify. Good idea to keep note as you disassemble.
 
As I worked as an automotive repair technician for 25+ years, taking things apart seldom is daunting.
However, I had a friend many years ago bring me a Sako Finnwolf. Holy crap!!! what a nightmare.
Managed to solve it, but I was sweating a bit a couple of times.
Most normal levers are simple enough. I personally love the 336 marlins, since they are simplicity incarnate.
Anyone planning to disassemble any firearm should avail himself of the proper tools FIRST.
This includes properly ground screwdrivers, pin punches [Steel and brass] Needle nose pliers, a small magnet
and a magnetic tray as mentioned by BUM. Regards, Dave.
 
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