TAKING RESTRICTED FIREARMS TO THE RANGE

[ted_dent]

What would be the storage requirements if staying at an Hotel overnight and you go out for Dinner?
Locked in your vehicle (in a case) or locked in your room?

I think it would safer in the vehicle….personally, I never leave anything of value in a Hotel room

I called & asked the Ontario CFO this question a few years a go on behalf of a friend who often travelled to shoots that required an overnight stay. What they told me was that they preferred it if you took the guns into your room rather than leave them in the vehicle as the room would be occupied overnight while the vehicle would not be.

As to the dinner question, it's six of one, half dozen of the other as no matter which option you choose the guns would be unattended for a period of time. I would opt for taking them in the car because at least you would be awake and possibly even have a view of the car depending on where you sat in the restaurant. They would be a lot less secure in an unattended hotel room.

 

[ted_dent]

Which is also a "potential" problem.

The law enforcement officer "can" demand an original document to ensure accuracy and it hasn't been changed, tampered with, edited, photo shopped etc.

I don't believe there is any actual requirement to have the registration certs with you. The law says you have to provide them but not necessarily on the spot. If you can't provide them immediately the cop does have the option to seize the guns until you produce the certs. If he's a reasonable sort he could send you on your way but instruct you to produce them in a given amount of time (24, 48, 72 hours). If he's extra reasonable he may just verify that you have a restricted PAL and let you go. YMMV.

Feel free to disprove my assertion.

 

[FatCatsDad]

I don't believe there is any actual requirement to have the registration certs with you. The law says you have to provide them but not necessarily on the spot. If you can't provide them immediately the cop does have the option to seize the guns until you produce the certs. If he's a reasonable sort he could send you on your way but instruct you to produce them in a given amount of time (24, 48, 72 hours). If he's extra reasonable he may just verify that you have a restricted PAL and let you go. YMMV.

Feel free to disprove my assertion.

You haven't really asserted anything , other than agreeing.

Like I said, potential problem, all depends on what cop you get and how you respond to him.

Personally all I carry is photos of the reg certs.

I've never been pulled over (do Ride programs count ? ), so I have no idea how in reality a picture or copy will work out.

 

[EatAPeach]

You haven't really asserted anything , other than agreeing.

Like I said, potential problem, all depends on what cop you get and how you respond to him.

Personally all I carry is photos of the reg certs.

I've never been pulled over (do Ride programs count ? ), so I have no idea how in reality a picture or copy will work out.

RIDE program doesn't count and shouldn't exist if you ask me. I feel like a good lawyer could get you off of pretty much any charge that stemmed from being pulled over through the RIDE program. Considering you got pulled over without doing anything to justify being pulled over.

 

[Pierson11]

Happy to be corrected, but I don't believe you have.

I want to estimate 2021, maybe 2022, (covid) rules changed whereby, restricted firearms required a separate ATT for any sanctioned range, gunsmith, or retailer (warranty purposes). The ATT only applies to your range.

This is what it currently says on the RCMP Firearms Program website. ​

Restricted or prohibited firearms​

Changes to automatic Authorizations to Transport restricted and prohibited firearms were brought into force on July 7, 2021. This change now requires licenced owners of registered firearms to obtain an Authorizations to Transport from the provincial or territorial Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) in order to transport a restricted or prohibited firearm to any place other than to:

1. an approved shooting club or shooting range within the owner’s province of residence, or
2. to the firearm’s place of storage after purchase.

You need to obtain an Authorization to Transport from the provincial or territorial Chief Firearms Officer:

• if you own a restricted or prohibited firearm and are moving to a new address
• if you are transporting a restricted or prohibited firearm within Canada

 

[Bigbubba]

There is a lot of incorrect information posted here
Best thing is to READ THE CONDITIONS section that came with your RPAL

Mine says I can transport R and P 12.6 possessed to and from ALL shooting ranges approved under S 29

 

[Serge81]

Asking on behalf of my gun pal who's gun club affiliation expired but rpal is valid for 2 more years. . Does he still need any membership of any sort ( clubs sell it for like 50 / year) to bring his guns for drop in range session? As far as i understand from the post above and rcmp website att isn't required for going to the range so affiliation or membership isn't required any more? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Wendell]

Asking on behalf of my gun pal who's gun club affiliation expired but rpal is valid for 2 more years. . Does he still need any membership of any sort ( clubs sell it for like 50 / year) to bring his guns for drop in range session? As far as i understand from the post above and rcmp website att isn't required for going to the range so affiliation or membership isn't required any more? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Your understanding that a valid "...ATT isn't required for going to the range..." is incorrect. An ATT is required for any trip to and from a shooting range. One possible reason for the confusion might be the so-called 'automatic conditions', wherein (ATT) conditions are printed on a piece of paper which is (or was) attached to the physical license; such (ATT) conditions are attached to the license, legally, and some might conflate these 'automatic conditions' with a (separate) printed ATT, and deduce that an "...ATT isn't required for going to the range...", but a valid ATT is required in order to transport a restricted firearm. The ATT might (or might not) be included within the conditions printed on a piece of paper which is (or was) attached to the physical license. Not everyone's conditions are worded the same way, so yours might differ from mine. If he reads his conditions, he'll know if he is covered (or not) by his conditions.

In addition to the ATT question you should also check with the club to ensure that the club will tolerate such a visit. Many clubs allow a non-member to visit the club, as a guest, when they've been invited and while they're in the company of a club member. Some clubs allow a non-member to visit the club - and to shoot there - for a one-time (rental) fee. Some clubs allow a guest (and/or a non-member) to bring his/her own firearms to the club, but some do not. It's best to check before you go.

 

[Pocisk]

Asking on behalf of my gun pal who's gun club affiliation expired but rpal is valid for 2 more years. . Does he still need any membership of any sort ( clubs sell it for like 50 / year) to bring his guns for drop in range session? As far as i understand from the post above and rcmp website att isn't required for going to the range so affiliation or membership isn't required any more? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I think you're conflating two issues here, the range membership requirement (which is not, and never was, a requirement, but many province's CFO's use it as an easy way to confirm that you're using you're restricteds for target shooting, which is their prerogative, but if you can demonstrate that you're using your restricteds for target shooting without a range membership there's no legal basis for them to reject that) comes up when you're renewing your license, not applying for an ATT. You have an automatic ATT attached to your license for firearms that you own that you are transporting WITHIN your province to a short list of acceptable destinations, shooting clubs being one of them. Anything else you will need to apply for an ATT.

I haven't been paying much attention to recent changes in the law (not good for my heart lol) so if I'm wrong no doubt someone will correct me, but I'm pretty sure none of that has changed.

 

[Serge81]

Thanks for the explanation, guys. The confusion came from him being misinformed by the guy who ran his firearms course back in the day. He was told he needed a club affiliation to transport his guns, so he ended up buying a 3-year club membership on the spot—turns out, he didn’t even need it.
I’m guessing the point of that misinformation was to sell club memberships to course attendees and make some extra cash.
He checked his license paper attachment, and the wording is clea r: he’s allowed to transport his firearms within the province. My piece of paper says the same, and none of the ranges I go to have ever asked for club affiliations or memberships. Just show a valid RPAL, pay for a lane, and go blasting. Case closed.

 

[1ABNDT]

Thanks for the explanation, guys. The confusion came from him being misinformed by the guy who ran his firearms course back in the day. He was told he needed a club affiliation to transport his guns, so he ended up buying a 3-year club membership on the spot—turns out, he didn’t even need it.
I’m guessing the point of that misinformation was to sell club memberships to course attendees and make some extra cash.
He checked his license paper attachment, and the wording is clea r: he’s allowed to transport his firearms within the province. My piece of paper says the same, and none of the ranges I go to have ever asked for club affiliations or memberships. Just show a valid RPAL, pay for a lane, and go blasting. Case closed.



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You are not able to transport restricted handguns to your gunsmith without prior notification to & approval from the CFO.