Taking your new Shadow 2 to the club in Ontario

Pocisk said:
Unfortunately that doesn't help. We know the law requires we carry the registration certificate when transporting, that much is clear. What is not clear is whether the transfer notification is a defacto registration certificate.
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Well, one is called a transfer notice , the other a registration certificate .
It says "regestration certificate " in the firearms act.

That would be my guess ,anyway:)Why would they even bother to send out a Reg cert, if the transfer paper is all that's required.

And again, I'm not the nanny police, and could care less what others decide is right or wrong.
 
Pocisk said:
Did they tell you that you had to wait for the registration certificate to bring it home? If not, it would have been interesting to ask them how they arrive at the transfer notification being a registration certificate for purposes of bringing the forearm home for the first time, but not for taking it to the club.
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Maybe that's why you need an STATT to bring it from the PO.
Same as when you sell one, once its transferred out of your name, you need a STATT , to bring it to the P.O.
 
Brianma65 said:
Well, one is called a transfer notice , the other a registration certificate .
It says "regestration certificate " in the firearms act.

That would be my guess ,anyway:)Why would they even bother to send out a Reg cert, if the transfer paper is all that's required.

And again, I'm not the nanny police, and could care less what others decide is right or wrong.
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Right. And yet we have people reporting that the CFO is telling them that they can use the transfer notice to bring their gun home, but not to take take it to the range. So do you not need to have a registration certificate with you when bringing your gun home for the first time? I certainly haven't come across the section of the law anywhere. Is a transfer notice a registration certificate until you get your gun home for the first time, then it instantly stops being a registration certificate? I haven't come across that in the law. Yet that is what some CFO's would have us believe.
 
Brianma65 said:
Maybe that's why you need an STATT to bring it from the PO.
Same as when you sell one, once its transferred out of your name, you need a STATT , to bring it to the P.O.
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Those two examples are not the same at all. Your ATT for bringing a new firearm home for the first time is built in as a condition of your license. Taking it to the post office requires you to get a STATT. In any case, the topic at hand pertains to the registration certificate. Lets just assume the transporter's ATT issues are all in order and just focus on the reg cert.
 
Pocisk said:
Unfortunately that doesn't help. We know the law requires we carry the registration certificate when transporting, that much is clear. What is not clear is whether the transfer notification is a defacto registration certificate.
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DOES the law actually require you to carry your reg cert when transporting?
 
Wow, 88 posts and this is still going. Is this really the biggest problem people have to worry about in their lives? Who really cares if an honest, moral citizen follows our insane arbitrary paperwork regulations while enjoying his firearms? I am much more concerned that the guy beside me at the range has good safe handling practices than if he waited for his nanny state permission slip to use his private property.


Mark
 
mmattockx said:
Wow, 88 posts and this is still going. Is this really the biggest problem people have to worry about in their lives? Who really cares if an honest, moral citizen follows our insane arbitrary paperwork regulations while enjoying his firearms? I am much more concerned that the guy beside me at the range has good safe handling practices than if he waited for his nanny state permission slip to use his private property.


Mark
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Agreed. I don't even understand why the OP started this in the first place. It wasn't a question or a rant or a problem, just a weird statement about transport.
 
plinker 777 said:
Yes (restricted). Dumb law, but the law none the less.
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6MT said:
What?! You do have an rPal? You should know this. This type of question was on your written exam.
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Pocisk said:
Unfortunately that doesn't help. We know the law requires we carry the registration certificate when transporting, that much is clear. What is not clear is whether the transfer notification is a defacto registration certificate.
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Brianma65 said:
Well, one is called a transfer notice , the other a registration certificate .
It says "regestration certificate " in the firearms act.

That would be my guess ,anyway:)Why would they even bother to send out a Reg cert, if the transfer paper is all that's required.

And again, I'm not the nanny police, and could care less what others decide is right or wrong.
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The law says you must be the "holder" of a registration certificate - full stop.

Neither the CC or the FA specifically indicate where the registration certificate must be in relation to the firearm while in transit, use or storage. Make your own decisions, but do so based on the law, not second hand interpretation or (God help us all) things your PAL instructor told you.
 
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plinker 777 said:
Yes (restricted). Dumb law, but the law none the less.
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6MT said:
What?! You do have an rPal? You should know this. This type of question was on your written exam.
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Well, let's see....I had a brown FAC, a green card FAC which eventually rolled into a PAL which eventually rolled into a RPAL. There was no distinction between "PAL" and "rPAL" at the time I did the test, it was just a FAC actually.

So, let's see if you can post the actual law that says you MUST carry a reg cert while transporting your restricted firearm, or face charges.

Well, here, I'll save you some time-there isn't such a law, so you won't be able to find it.

We actually already covered this in this thread. The police can ask to see a Reg cert, and of course the easiest thing to do is just show it to them on the spot. But let's say you forgot it. You don't face criminal charges. The officer may seize your pistol and ask you to produce the reg cert within 14 days. Or, more likely he will check the registry through his computer and see that it's registered to you and tell you to carry on.
 
abb1 said:
They do it for one reason and one reason only-----SPAM, to create bickering between forum members. In other forums, people that post spam get notified and if it continues, get banned. There is nothing useful, or helpful in his original post. If he works for the CFO office, and supplied references where this has impacted legit gunowners, then that maybe a different story, but that is obviously not the case. Even more to reflect this is that he is specific to 'shadow 2's' and 'Ontario', which shows intent as it is geared towards a particular gun and a particular province when the reality is that gun laws are federal, and not to a specific model.

I personally do not understand why this thread was reopened. MODS, can we please close this once and for all!
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Thank god you don't run the show here abb1. The thread was reopened because the powers to be believe in free speech and this thread hasn't broken any rules and meets the requirements of being a good thread. All I can say if you don't like it then don't involve yourself with this thread. Oh by the way, my recent request that the thread be closed down again was turned down.
 
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Gatehouse said:
Well, let's see....I had a brown FAC, a green card FAC which eventually rolled into a PAL which eventually rolled into a RPAL. There was no distinction between "PAL" and "rPAL" at the time I did the test, it was just a FAC actually.

So, let's see if you can post the actual law that says you MUST carry a reg cert while transporting your restricted firearm, or face charges.

Well, here, I'll save you some time-there isn't such a law, so you won't be able to find it.

We actually already covered this in this thread. The police can ask to see a Reg cert, and of course the easiest thing to do is just show it to them on the spot. But let's say you forgot it. You don't face criminal charges. The officer may seize your pistol and ask you to produce the reg cert within 14 days. Or, more likely he will check the registry through his computer and see that it's registered to you and tell you to carry on.
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You're not the only one here who had an FAC there pal...here's the regs.
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kidcom said:
The thread was reopened because the powers to be believe in free speech
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Not in the least. This is a privately owned site and there is no expectation of free speech nor any free speech in reality. If you don't believe me, pick on one of the favoured groups or try bashing a sponsor in one of the general topic forums here and see how fast you end up in pink.


Mark
 
kidcom said:
Thank god you don't run the show here abb1. The thread was reopened because the powers to be believe in free speech and this thread hasn't broken any rules and meets the requirements of being a good thread. All I can say if you don't like it then don't involve yourself with this thread. Oh by the way, my recent request that the thread be closed down again was turned down.
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Do you know anything about your rights to Free Speech? You have the right to speak out against your government without fear of imprisonment. That is what the "Free Speech" you speak of refers to. When it comes to private matters we have slander and libel laws to protect us from individuals/organizations who think they can say and write whatever they want about other individuals or corporations.

This is a private forum and the owners can decide what is posted and what is not. Nothing to do with Free Speech.

Take Care

Bob
 
Innavedaw said:
The law says you must be the "holder" of a registration certificate - full stop.

Neither the CC or the FA specifically indicate where the registration certificate must be in relation to the firearm while in transit, use or storage. Make your own decisions, but do so based on the law, not second hand interpretation or (God help us all) things your PAL instructor told you.
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...if it is not on your person, how can you satisfy the onus that you are in fact the "holder" of the cert? The onus is yours. If asked, you must be in possession of the cert and produce it.Anything less doesn't satisfy the request!? The onus isn't on the state to prove that you aren't the registered owner...the onus is on you to prove that you are.
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With all the discussion back and forth, I decided to just call the CFO office and ask. i was told that yes you have to carry the registration with you when transporting a restricted gun for example, to the gun range. She even went as far as suggesting copying the originals and laminating them to keep them in decent condition. Now, I didn't ask her to tell where this is written but That is what I was told.
 
Dirtbiker said:
With all the discussion back and forth, I decided to just call the CFO office and ask. i was told that yes you have to carry the registration with you when transporting a restricted gun for example, to the gun range. She even went as far as suggesting copying the originals and laminating them to keep them in decent condition. Now, I didn't ask her to tell where this is written but That is what I was told.
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Yes, that's the easiest answer- just carry the reg certs.

It doesn't say that in the Firearms Act but it's the simplest thing to do.

If we read Sec 117.03 above, it actually reads that the Peace Officer may seize the firearm unless it's found that the possession is authorized. So a simple computer check by an officer may suffice, although again, it's simpler to just carry the cert.

Conditions of your ATT may require you to carry the reg cert, but conditions vary on ATT's.
 
plinker 777 said:
...if it is not on your person, how can you satisfy the onus that you are in fact the "holder" of the cert? The onus is yours. If asked, you must be in possession of the cert and produce it.Anything less doesn't satisfy the request!? The onus isn't on the state to prove that you aren't the registered owner...the onus is on you to prove that you are.
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Actually, in order to satisfy a charge of unlawful possession of a firearm under the criminal code, the onus is on the state...but that's not really the point. Not much point to this ongoing debate either. You can read the law and interpret it as you like. I was presenting what the law actually says on the subject...which is nothing like what you seem to think it says...You are free to interpret that however you like.
 
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