Tannerite

Rasp76 said:
ammonium nitrate is saltpeter and is a low order oxidizer. I thought Id chime in, available at any drug store
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Yeah I thought so too when I was 14 and looking for it to do a... Science experiment. I actually couldn't find it anywhere.
 
tootall said:
I dont pretend to be a lawyer, so take it FWIW, but I do NOT believe it is allowed to brew your own.
Not before, not now.
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However as this is a binary of two things, AN, and Al, a commercial product is only a bag of AN, and a bag of Al to be mixed.

How does it suddenly become illegal when those same things do not come out of a company's bag with a trade name on it?

Or is it a bureaucratic submit-my-two-bags-of-####-and-get-it-rubber-stamped-and-now-it-is-legal thing? and this process simply did not exist before?
 
Wow there are too many "experts" here... but I guess it is expected when a government "protects" people from themselves...
 
Potassium nitrate WAS available but is now on the you cant buy that list!!!! Mix 50% with sugar to make white smoke bombs. Did it all the time when i was a kid, tried to show my son and was informed that after 9-11 its not available to the average person.
 
Riven said:
Potassium nitrate WAS available but is now on the you cant buy that list!!!! Mix 50% with sugar to make white smoke bombs. Did it all the time when i was a kid, tried to show my son and was informed that after 9-11 its not available to the average person.
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Atleast in QC you can still get it at pharmacies, but expensive. Especially for stuff that historically has been collected from animal waste...
 
KNO3 (Saltpeter) + sugar = smokebomb
KNO3 + sulphur + activated charcole = blackpowder (now you can kill that Gorn saving Captain Kirk)


kno3= the white powder that comes off of large stacks of manure after it rains and then dries up
 
CanadianReich said:
KNO3 (Saltpeter) + sugar = smokebomb
KNO3 + sulphur + activated charcole = blackpowder (now you can kill that Gorn saving Captain Kirk)


kno3= the white powder that comes off of large stacks of manure after it rains and then dries up
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Nice cheap rocket motors too.
 
I've used this stuff before and spoken with the company president at the SHOT show. Pretty simple concept of using two readily available substances to end up with a binary explosive. The exact proportions and ideal "prill" size are what make it proprietary to the many companies that offer exploding targets. Not hard to figure out what makes the ideal recipe thus the many competing manufacturers. I think it would be easier for a Canadian entrepreneur to start up their own company here than to import something that cannot be protected by patent. Just to clarify, when you buy this stuff it is not prepared. It's simply a box containing two ingredients which on their own, are relatively innocuous.
 
Riven said:
Potassium nitrate WAS available but is now on the you cant buy that list!!!! Mix 50% with sugar to make white smoke bombs. Did it all the time when i was a kid, tried to show my son and was informed that after 9-11 its not available to the average person.
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and was all kinds of fun too!
 
pypes said:
I've used this stuff before and spoken with the company president at the SHOT show. Pretty simple concept of using two readily available substances to end up with a binary explosive. The exact proportions and ideal "prill" size are what make it proprietary to the many companies that offer exploding targets. Not hard to figure out what makes the ideal recipe thus the many competing manufacturers. I think it would be easier for a Canadian entrepreneur to start up their own company here than to import something that cannot be protected by patent. Just to clarify, when you buy this stuff it is not prepared. It's simply a box containing two ingredients which on their own, are relatively innocuous.
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It is known as AN/AL which is also a low velocity explosive. If you can shoot it, you can set it off with a blasting cap. Just part of the Ammonium nitrate binaries family, along with ANFO (which you can't set off by shooting usually) and ANNM which is also cap sensitive, but I don't know if it can be set off with bullets.
 
Well this classification is certainly a welcome development, and allows for some interesting discussion.

None of the various possible with these classes of chemicals are complex, and they are rather easy to work with. However, aside from the legal quagmire, a lot of this stuff is difficult because it's just not as easy to find a lot of the required chemicals locally. Plus I have better things to do these days.

Some are silly easy. Aluminum power anyone can figure out...honestly one of the first few times I made termite both foil in a blender and just grinding a whole bunch off a block worked well enough to work in a thermite reaction. Or possibly have worked well with some percolate, if one was inclined to combine the two.
Then I found ebay.


However Ammonium Nitrate in quantity for something like tannerite is proving more difficult. Obviously it's in common use as fertilizer, and can be bought in large amounts for that purpose but as someone not well versed in agriculture I wouldn't know where to acquire any plant food, and specifically one that is just AN.
Nor am I particularly well informed on what the strict legalities of procuring AN for pyro purposes is.
 
CanadianReich said:
KNO3 (Saltpeter) + sugar = smokebomb
KNO3 + sulphur + activated charcole = blackpowder (now you can kill that Gorn saving Captain Kirk)


kno3= the white powder that comes off of large stacks of manure after it rains and then dries up
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That would be correct :) Potassium Chlorate is an interesting one as well.
 
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