Tar 21 vs x95

DILLIGAF said:
And ? I tired it and didnt like it. :p :p :p But opinions are like buttholes everyone has one ;)

for hunting yotes id get an ACR ;) Not that im bias or anything... lol...
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And.... that it wasn't an afterthought and was part of the initial design idea. Which is in response to the earlier statement
DILLIGAF said:
Bipods dont belong on bullpups.
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Fair enough. I like mine and bought a second one for my FDE 2.5 Tavor. To each their own. But... I also slap on a 3-9X scope for ammo testing and plinking. These get multi use even though they are setup for CQB in the photos.
 
+1 for the x95.. the IWI grip doubles as a monopod... hahah

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The only thing I like better on the X95 is the mag release.
I think the Tavor has better aesthetics, length of pull, and better balance for me personally. I can hold it longer while standing.
Also the after market rails and podiums are cool toys the X95 doesn't have, if that matters to you
 
Don’t have experience with tavor, but with my x95(upgraded trigger and muzzle brake) yesterday with factory AE223 55gr and pst 1-4x scope, I killed 18”x24” plate @600 meters. So, I love it. Will put up a detailed range report soon. With handload, it should be better.

doublelung said:
So I've put it off for a bit but finally decided to purchase one. Looking for suggestions/reviews from ya'll who have either owned both or shot both. The X95 is running at least $500 more which would go a longways towards a nice optic for the top. So my question is would you spend more on the X95 or would you buy the Tar 21 and why either way... Specifically looking for info from those that have handled both, not just watched a bunch of youtube videos like me. Not looking for a target gun, just a fun/coyote killing gun.

Cheers boys.
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All the IWI rifles are small for me. But that's the point, so I deal with it.

AR is more my style, being that I'm quite tall with a long reach.
 
Still alive said:
This is a tough question to answer. You really need to handle both in every way. If you’re familiar with the AR, then the X95 is slightly more comfortable due to the mag release position, but only slightly as it’s not quite in the standard position. The X95 trigger is better also. The charging handle is also in a closer position so you don’t ineed to reach as far for it. Accuracy is comparable between the two.
Other than a few more doodads and accessories, they are very similar guns.

I own the TAR-21 Gen 2.5. I’m happy with it. I’ve looked at and shot multiple X95s. I like them but not enough to spend more money to buy one as the differences or improvements aren’t worth the money to me. This varies with everyone obviously.

I think you’ll like either platform once you buy it. Remember it’s a bullpup and has a totally different feel than any normal rifle. If I were to buy one now, I would likely still pick the original, used but with an upgraded trigger. And, like you said, spend the rest on a nice optic or ammo!
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Buy one of each on the EE, sell whichever one you like less? I've done that a few times over the years with different guns.

My two cents - I pretty much agree with Still Alive. The ergos on the X95 are a bit better, especially if you're accustomed to the AR15 platform, and it is better if you want to hang a bunch of stuff off the front end, what with the rails and all. That being said, trying the X95 wasn't enough to convince me to sell my Tavor and "upgrade". I actually prefer the funky original Tavor mag release and forward charging handle, but neither of these 'features' is for everyone. If I was in your shoes I'd go with a Tavor and use the $ difference toward the optic.
 
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From a practical stand point the x95 just works for me. With my back ground of shooting AR type rifles as soon as I picked up the x95 it just worked. Tavor was just too awkward for me to get used to, several times I shot one a few hundred rounds each time. Just could not get used to it, the x95 just naturally fit. The handiness and portability beats most rifles out there, it works perfectly for my purposes. My x95 had some initial accuracy issues but after running some steel case through it, that seemed to smooth the feed ramps out and it’s erratic shooting habits smoothed out. It still has issues after the barrel heats up but for me the first round or two are what counts. My purpose it’s perfectly suited to its role, a reliable, extremely easy to use predator rifle. Several coyote and fox’s agree with me.
Mine has a meprolight RDS on it, this is due to the need to shoot at night with a flashlight assistance(only time the coyotes come around to eat chickens or cats). But thinking about upgrading to a a magnified optic, missed a fox the other day at distance as it was running away with a chicken in its mouth....or my eyes are just getting old.
So my recommendation would be an AR with a 14.5 inch barrel but that is not useable outside of the range. So I like the x95, I hope the information on my experience with it helps you make your decision.
 
ZREXER said:
Most of the reviews I have read on them is that they are not very accurate. I'm not comparing to a .223 bolt action with a 24 x scope, but other semi's like a garden variety AR-15. Granted they were built for close quarter fighting, but 3 MOA or more is kind of 'minute of pie plate' accuracy. I expect more from a $2600 rifle myself.
What are you X 95 guys getting with your rifles for 100 yard 5 shot groups?
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With 55 gr cheap steel cased ammo on a cold barrel mine consistently shoots between an 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 groups with a red dot sight no magnifier. It has some interesting tastes in bullets, the best I got was with 53 gr hornady super varmint 1 inch at a 100 meters, not sure if I was just super chill or what that day. The IDF issue theirs with a 79 gr bullet, haven’t tried that yet but would like to.
Accuracy for me is my ability to hit a steel plate that I have set up at 174 meters, 12 by 18. I can hit it 10 out of 10 times now on a cold barrel no problem. That’s standing leaning on my deck railing.
Note my comments about the barrels temperature, as soon as the barrel heats up your groups spread out and your bullets go walk about.
New x95’s seem to have issues with the tips of the bullets getting gouged by the feed ramps, cycle a mag through by examining the tips if you have gouging just pick up some cheap steel and run a couple hundred rounds through it. Your groups will tighten up and your rifle will shoot consistently.
 
Ebola said:
Still a kill shot at 100m assuming the shooter did his or her part. That's what the rifle was designed for.
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Not to go off on a rant here, but it's only a kill shot, when the shot is intended for poor people who can't afford armor.

IMo, that's one of the reasons that 5.56 is not the right direction for our culture, because it doesn't take into account what it was designed to do... more importantly to who (whom? whatever :p) it was designed to be used against.

10x12 plates that are now commonplace in all but the poorest .: heaviest military presence .: probably resource rich, make the 3-4 MOA of many of these rifles utterly useless, unless the name of the game is punching holes on the outside edges of paper targets.
 
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CoonT said:
Not to go off on a rant here, but it's only a kill shot, when the shot is intended for poor people who can't afford armor.

IMo, that's one of the reasons that 5.56 is not the right direction for our culture, because it doesn't take into account what it was designed to do... more importantly to who (whom? whatever :p) it was designed to be used against.

10x12 plates that are now commonplace in all but the poorest .: heaviest military presence .: probably resource rich, make the 3-4 MOA of many of these rifles utterly useless, unless the name of the game is punching holes on the outside edges of paper targets.
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I doubt the Palestinians are running around with plate armour. This rifle was designed with those goombas and cqb in mind.
 
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