Good to know.
Tavor accuracy? Warranty?
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Good to know.
Ar180shooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Ottawa, ON
AFAIK both Can Am and NS bring in Tavors.
I would like to know if the Tavor shoots MOA or close with match & handloads..
I'll most likely be going to the range in the next week to ten days. I'll take the Tavor along. I've got a small amount of black hills match and "mexican match"
ammo that I'll try. I'll let ya'all know what results I get
At 40yds, right?
Multicamguy
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- Location
- Alberta, Canada
I'll most likely be going to the range in the next week to ten days. I'll take the Tavor along. I've got a small amount of black hills match and "mexican match"
ammo that I'll try. I'll let ya'all know what results I get
Let us in the know, Zuper.
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Having owned a Tavor and an KelTec RFB, If I were looking for a reliable bullpup gun I'd lean towards the RFB as there's more gun, better trigger, less plastic parts; lifetime warranty if your the original owner; and you can spend the $1000 your going to save- on the nicest cubic zerconia ring your girlfriends ever seen- then swap in real diamonds after a couple years if things work out ok.
Also theyve been working on building tavors in the states for years, and when that happens I imagine the price will drop substantially.
Also theyve been working on building tavors in the states for years, and when that happens I imagine the price will drop substantially.
Multicamguy
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- Location
- Alberta, Canada
I noticed Canam is already sold out..
Tavor accuracy
I'd like to see some visual back-up on this...From The Tavor: Destroyer of Terrorist dreams..
I'll most likely be going to the range in the next week to ten days. I'll take the Tavor along. I've got a small amount of black hills match and "mexican match"
ammo that I'll try. I'll let ya'all know what results I get
I'd like to see some visual back-up on this...From The Tavor: Destroyer of Terrorist dreams..
Multicamguy;6828533[QUOTE said:]Let us in the know, Zuper.
Okay, here it is...
I headed down for a quick range session with the Tavor, this was one of the older model (2nd wave that arrived here, I believe) that had been equipped with the Trijicon optic. This had been promptly replaced with a short rail (reasons see below) and replaced with another 1X dot optic (dot subtended approx 5" at 100 m). Obviously, this is a detriment to shooting nice groups, but if you "tailor" (i.e. make) your targets to your reticle/shooting situation, you can get a fairly precise sight picture, and good groups if you and your rifle are up to it....
Anyhow. I shot three groups of "black box" 55gr AE fmj "tactical" and three groups of 68 gr Black hills match. Unless otherwise said, all groups are 3 shots at 100 meters from here on in. The results were uninspiring...AE shot an average of aprox 3" and Black hills shot 3" as well. The good news is that it shoots the cheap stuff as well as the expensive stuff
. However,before I even started, it was apparent that this session would probably be a waste of time, as winds that day were approx 30-50 kph gusts. The 100m range is completely covered out to 50m, so I hoped that wind effects would be minimal, as the wind only has 50m to act on the projectile. I got home and checked my ballistics manual, which stated for a 55 fmjbt bullet, a 20 mph (approx 35 kph wind) blows the bullet about .53" at 50m. With this wind, I'd expect more. I thought subtracting .5 to .75" on the above groups would be fair given the circumstances. Still, this theorizing is hardly going to help you all. So.... I went out again on a much calmer day.This time, the AE black box shot an average of 1.89" (total of six groups). Remington 55gr fmj shot a 3.4" average (four groups total).
Like many of you, whenever I get a new rifle, I always accuracy check it by benchresting it so as to get the best idea of the rifle's mechanical accuracy (without the human factor affecting things). Because this rifle is of the bullpup design, I found it more difficult to bench then conventional rifles. Anyway, I dug up some of my initial shooting records on the Tavor (from a couple of years ago), and here are the results:
With a 3X scope: Black Hills 68 gr match gave me an average of 2.6" (total of three groups). I have two "mexican match" loads that shoot very well in my AR's that I also tried. These are the 55gr and 62 gr generic FMJ loadings as offered by Remington and Winchester respectively, except that I replaced the projectiles with a better quality bullet of similar weight/contour. Remington, with a 55 gr V-max projectile, shot an average of 2.27" (four groups shot); Winchester, with a 60 gr V-max projectile, shot 2.3" average (two groups shot).
Swiss Raug shot 3" average (three groups shot)
.The winner was Winchester "white box" 55 gr FMJ....it shot an average of 1.65"
(four group average). This also shoots well in my Czech Arms 223 carbine, and AR's that I've tried. They must've had a good lot when they made this stuff.Well, there you are...I hope this helps with your Tavor accuracy questions. Remember, this rifle originated as a combat/service rifle, now adapted to sporting use.
Ooops, I almost forgot to address the "see below" part of this posting. The trijicon unit was replaced because it/the mounting was canted to one side, beacuse of this, every elevation adjustment would then cause a shift in the horizontal. I don't know what the Isrealis were thinking. Even worse, the unit was easily "wiggled", which probably explained the "fist sized 50 meter" groups that some reported.
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The results were uninspiring...AE shot an average of aprox 3" and Black hills shot 3" as well. The good news is that it shoots the cheap stuff as well as the expensive stuff
This time, the AE black box shot an average of 1.89" (total of six groups). Remington 55gr fmj shot a 3.4" average (four groups total).
With a 3X scope: Black Hills 68 gr match gave me an average of 2.6" (total of three groups). I have two "mexican match" loads that shoot very well in my AR's that I also tried. These are the 55gr and 62 gr generic FMJ loadings as offered by Remington and Winchester respectively, except that I replaced the projectiles with a better quality bullet of similar weight/contour. Remington, with a 55 gr V-max projectile, shot an average of 2.27" (four groups shot); Winchester, with a 60 gr V-max projectile, shot 2.3" average (two groups shot).
Swiss Raug shot 3" average (three groups shot)
The winner was Winchester "white box" 55 gr FMJ....it shot an average of 1.65"
Well, there you are...I hope this helps with your Tavor accuracy questions. Remember, this rifle originated as a combat/service rifle, now adapted to sporting use.
Awesome report Zuperman, very detailed and answers all..
On the optics are you talking about the Israeli Mepro reflex sight?
^^Thanks for your kind words.
As to the optics, it is indeed the Israeli Mepro sight that I'm referring to that came with the rifle. Us buyers didn't have a choice at the time
I found it interesting to note (and it's also been my experience) that the 55 gr stuff shot well in the 1 in 7 twist tavor--virtually indistinguishable from my 1 in 9 AR's. I say this only because I still hear (after all these years) people saying "you can't shoot 55gr out of a 1 in 7 barrel". Shooting heavier projectiles in the old 1 in 12 twist is another matter however.
As to the optics, it is indeed the Israeli Mepro sight that I'm referring to that came with the rifle. Us buyers didn't have a choice at the time
I found it interesting to note (and it's also been my experience) that the 55 gr stuff shot well in the 1 in 7 twist tavor--virtually indistinguishable from my 1 in 9 AR's. I say this only because I still hear (after all these years) people saying "you can't shoot 55gr out of a 1 in 7 barrel". Shooting heavier projectiles in the old 1 in 12 twist is another matter however.
i havent had a problem with prvi partisan 55grain fmj at the range, for just popping off quick rounds at 50 yards im getting hardball sized groups standing off hand.
i wonder how well 75-77 grain ammo would shoot out of the 1-7 twist.
i wonder how well 75-77 grain ammo would shoot out of the 1-7 twist.
I haven't shot mine much but did have some similiar results shooting off hand at 50 meters using the M21 with bullseye reticle.
63 grain Ruag shot like garbage. Most of the regular American Eagle 55 grain stuff wasn't that great. But... when I shot 55 PMC through it my off hand group was a ragged hole. The group closed right up.
Doing some accuracy testing from the bench with my Tavor is my to do list.
I really like this firearm. The trigger on mine while heavy is fairly clean and crisp for a battle rifle.
I also wanted to point out that the reason for the 1:7 twist with military or police firearms isn't to shoot heavier projectiles. It's to provide accuracy in extreme cold conditions. -50 for example. A 1:7 twist will stabalize the 62 grain ammo in this environment better than the 1:9. At least from what I've read. -30 is as cold as I've gone shooting and only once. I stayed inside after that and shot my 22LR firearms. I hate the cold.
63 grain Ruag shot like garbage. Most of the regular American Eagle 55 grain stuff wasn't that great. But... when I shot 55 PMC through it my off hand group was a ragged hole. The group closed right up.
Doing some accuracy testing from the bench with my Tavor is my to do list.
I really like this firearm. The trigger on mine while heavy is fairly clean and crisp for a battle rifle.
I also wanted to point out that the reason for the 1:7 twist with military or police firearms isn't to shoot heavier projectiles. It's to provide accuracy in extreme cold conditions. -50 for example. A 1:7 twist will stabalize the 62 grain ammo in this environment better than the 1:9. At least from what I've read. -30 is as cold as I've gone shooting and only once. I stayed inside after that and shot my 22LR firearms. I hate the cold.
^^This is a good point. The original AR twist (back in the 1960's) was 1-14 but wasn't accurate in cold weather, so they tightened it up to 1-12 (for the then issued 55 gr projectile). But, at least one source I read/saw stated that when deciding on the twist for the new 62 gr projectile, the U.S. wanted a (tighter than needed) 1-7 twist to stabilize their (longer) tracer projectile, as opposed to the 1-9. 1-7 was probably a safe choice given the wide variety of weather conditions and perhaps even future ammo developments (i.e heavier longer range projectile development).
Critics at the time said the faster twist would burn out the governments barrels prematurely.......
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I suspect the reason the Israelis report a more accurate rifle is that their sniper rifles are different than our longer barrel sporting rifle. Last summer I was lucky enough to see a Full Auto one at Borden that belonged to Colt Canada. It had a full bull barrel, unlike the thin pencil sized barrel Canadian ones have, although I didn't shoot it, the Colt Canada Rep claimed it was accurate. Maybe they do something to the sear surfaces because mine felt like it had rough sear surfaces, but I wasn't about to take apart that coo-coo clock they call a trigger group to inspect it. Cool Rifle, do I miss mine? Definitely, but I'm not ready to replace it just yet.
Get the Tavor first...trust me! I know everyone's situation is different...after almost 10 years of marriage, I was finally able to buy a rifle..lol!
Easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission!
