Tavor Barrel Flex Causing Lack Of Accuracy?

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There are numerous threads on the forum regarding the Tavor accuracy being more "minute of man" than "minute of angle"

To clarify, I have an X95 and I love the bullpup setup with the compact configuration and all the weight at the rear not to mention the fact its well made and non restricted but so far mine has not blown me away with accuracy

I watched a video on the Tavors and from around 9:40 there is some slo mo action which shows what seems like a LOT of barrel flex - could this be the reason for the inaccuracy? And if so wouldn't supporting the barrel near the front somewhere improve the issue? Or would that bring other negative forces into play (harmonics etc)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwwMIuMpiuc
 
blaxsun said:
Yes, it's not a precision barrel. But the trigger is also a contributing factor.
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On both generations? From what Ive read the TAR21 didn't have the best trigger but it seemed the general opinion on the X95 was that IWI had upgraded the trigger to be more like the Geisselle Super Sabra that everyone fitted to the TAR21s

So is the Geisselle Super Sabra a massive difference compared to the standard X95 trigger?
 
Sniffer said:
On both generations? From what Ive read the TAR21 didn't have the best trigger but it seemed the general opinion on the X95 was that IWI had upgraded the trigger to be more like the Geisselle Super Sabra that everyone fitted to the TAR21s

So is the Geisselle Super Sabra a massive difference compared to the standard X95 trigger?
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The X95 has a better trigger from what I understand, but the Geissele trigger upgrades are superior.
 
blaxsun said:
The X95 has a better trigger from what I understand, but the Geissele trigger upgrades are superior.
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Seconded. The X95 trigger felt like a TAR-21 trigger with the Geissele Lightning Bow installed (a little less crisp, but close enough), but nothing like a TAR-21 with the LB and Sabra trigger pack.
 
If anyone is buying a Tavor and trying to shoot groups off a bench, simply put u bought the wrong rifle. The tavor is a run and gun combat style rifle that serves its intended purpose as good or better than any other rifle in this class.

Arguing about the tavors accuracy is like complaining that your rem 700 isnt performing well in 3 gun
 
I am not surprised by all the excuses coming after this. It is a battle rifle , so what, it has a license to suck ?
Tavors have well documented issues that contributed to its lack of accuracy. Thin barrel, heavy trigger combined with weak plastic housing that loosens up gradually by cradling hot steel components.
Tavors have never been in a single fight with nearly equally equipped opponents. It s so called battle proven is inrelavent.
Sorry for your $2600 rifle, it is not that good.
 
No one said it sucked, and no one is claiming sub-MOA accuracy. As has been pointed out, it's a battle rifle. As for combat proven, in addition to the IDF it's in use with about a half dozen other countries. Good enough for the IDF - good enough for me.
 
X95s have well documented issues that contributed to its lack of accuracy.
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Fixed that for ya. The Tavors are widely reported to be capable about 1moa. Mine consistently gets 2MOA with a red dot and bulk ammo which I am more than happy with. Honestly, high end AR triggers have turned people into a trigger snobs, apparently no longer capable of applying fundamentals of marksmanship. The Tavor's trigger ain't great but once you get used to it you get good results. I had set aside enough cash to buy a Gliessle trigger with my Tavor after all the hot air people were making about it. And when I got it, and tried the trigger, I was absolutely shocked: it was perfectly fine. Bought ammo instead.

Tavors have never been in a single fight with nearly equally equipped opponents.
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The Ukrainians haven't been fighting well-equipped opponents, I guess. Who knew?

I mean, you can say that about just about any modern rifle, really.
 
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Canada tail said:
I am not surprised by all the excuses coming after this. It is a battle rifle , so what, it has a license to suck ?
Tavors have well documented issues that contributed to its lack of accuracy. Thin barrel, heavy trigger combined with weak plastic housing that loosens up gradually by cradling hot steel components.
Tavors have never been in a single fight with nearly equally equipped opponents. It s so called battle proven is inrelavent.
Sorry for your $2600 rifle, it is not that good.
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I don't think you realize it, but Hezbollah has more firepower than the entire Lebanese military, and most military's in the region, and has shown to be more disciplined and tactically sound. Israel wasn't fighting kids in the street hurling rocks and sticks at them...
 
The rifle will not win any service rifle matches but it will take down any 20X20 targets out to 300m that are foolish enough to stand up and wave at you.....as long as you can see it in the first place!

Most people armed with a 5.56 and 4X day optics are really at best 250m shooters out in the field on their own without support from spotters, provided the target is visible enough. Being visible makes it is big enough and in general moving. What it means having a 20" bang stick and shooting 1MOA doesn't give you any more advantage over a 14" carbine shooting 3MOA within that range gate and the target type.

Anymore than that the rifle needs more optics, and the shooter/spotter will probably need a bino to detect and identify targets anyways before the rifle comes in. Your typical infantry platoons are like chain saws, the people with rifles move in close enough to shoot anyways.

So the TAVOR and X95 will do the job they are supposed to do, even accuracy is just so so.
 
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The Caliber Magazine guys got pretty good accuracy out of their X95, it seems. Aguila shoots great out of my T97, I've been meaning to try it with my Tavor

calibremag.ca/tavor-x95-review/
 
Canada tail said:
I am not surprised by all the excuses coming after this. It is a battle rifle , so what, it has a license to suck ?
Tavors have well documented issues that contributed to its lack of accuracy. Thin barrel, heavy trigger combined with weak plastic housing that loosens up gradually by cradling hot steel components.
Tavors have never been in a single fight with nearly equally equipped opponents. It s so called battle proven is inrelavent.
Sorry for your $2600 rifle, it is not that good.
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an hamas or hezbollah ak47 are pretty much the same as a tavor
 
Canada tail said:
I am not surprised by all the excuses coming after this. It is a battle rifle , so what, it has a license to suck ?
Tavors have well documented issues that contributed to its lack of accuracy. Thin barrel, heavy trigger combined with weak plastic housing that loosens up gradually by cradling hot steel components.
Tavors have never been in a single fight with nearly equally equipped opponents. It s so called battle proven is inrelavent.
Sorry for your $2600 rifle, it is not that good.
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Are you suggesting that the numerous military groups have chosen the wrong combat rifle because the Tavor can't seem to do MOA accuracy?
Does the Tavor or X95 look remotely similar to a precision rifle?
Do you think with it's internal components, long stroke gas system, non-free float barrel etc, that it was designed to be a precision rifle?

What matters: is there a market for a $2600, reliable, NR, compact, military proven rifle, which takes AR mags, and shoot the 5.56/223? Hell yeah brother. There isn't much choice up here in Canada.
 
Some people have missed the point of this thread it seems - no one is claiming that the X95 is a precision rifle (I have a Ruger Precision and an HK SL8 for those purposes) - my question was is barrel flex (as shown quite clearly in the video I linked) a factor
 
You also have to remember a lot of people of shooting cheap crap 55grn Norco ammo out of it. It is a 1 in 7 twist barrel, it's stabilizes the heavy bullets better.
 
The flex in the barrel was the Tavor. Not the X95 (Note the location of the charging handle)

Rifle barrels flex so much during slow motion you wonder how they ever hit anything.
 
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