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Got my bolt last week,after I put it in I did not like it as the bolt is now under sping pressure.Shot it today but put the old one back in after 10rds because if you bump the charging handle the bolt carrier will not be closed and can cause an out of battery fireing or it will not fire.I will have to do some testing with primed brass and see.
 
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999 can you give me a call to explain? I went over all this with the chief engineer at IWI so there should be no issues.
 
Ok so I tryed some primed brass with bench rest primers and I got the gun to fire with the bolt at about 50% lockup.In my opinion the new spring is to stiff and will use the gun as it was when I got it.

Other users can make up there own mind and do what they fell is best for them.
 
Got my bolt last week,after I put it in I did not like it as the bolt is now under sping pressure.Shot it today but put the old one back in after 10rds because if you bump the charging handle the bolt carrier will not be closed and can cause an out of battery fireing or it will not fire.I will have to do some testing with primed brass and see.

I tried both the original and new "spring'ed" bolt to see for myself. I do agree that if the charging handle is bumped, the BCG can be placed slightly out of battery... with EITHER :eek: bolt assembly. I was able to press the trigger and the hammer fell on both assemblies when the bolt was out of battery. I didn't do bullet pull, primer strike test fires, but I would imagine the same results you recorded would occur with either bolt assembly. I did notice that if you tapped the charging handle forward, the BCG would move forward, reducing the gap to a couple of millimeters, or completely closed. 999, if you have already tested the original assembly and had negative results in having an out of battery firing situation, disregard the meandering thoughts below... :p

I tried a similar situation with my AR15. Charging handle moved back so that the BCG is out of battery slightly and was able to have the hammer fall. Not sure if this would result in an out of battery discharge, but it could be possible. The likelihood that the charging handle would be moved out of it's locked position and cause the BCG to be out of battery would be pretty rare... maybe with a really dirty weapon? I guess that's what the forward assist is for...

All this being said, there are only a couple of situations I could imagine that the BCG of the TAVOR could come slightly out of battery due to the charging handle being moved from the forward position.

The first by accident by bumping into something. I tried this on several surfaces and was able to get the charging to come off it's detent. This occurred when I was very close to a wall/corner and pushed forward when the charging handle came in contact with the object the charging handle was in contact with. One could also snag the charging handle onto clothing, but I wasn't able to do this.

The other scenario would be if one did a "pinch check" to check the chamber. One would need to ensure that the charging handle is released with enough force to lock it back into place or, one would have to tap the charging handle forward back into place. I found that when pulling the charging handle back far enough to check the chamber, releasing the charging handle from that position, there was enough force to lock the charging handle back into place and have the BCG fully forward. The bolt carrier is substantial in size and weight!

As the situation described by 999 happens with both new and old bolt assemblies, I'm going to stick with the new bolt assembly as this will eliminate the slam fire situation. If there is something I am missing, please inform me as I am no gunsmith... :redface:
 
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Any gun will drop the hammer out of battery. My m14 and swiss arms both do. The question is does the hammer hit the pin and strike the primer?
 
I just noticed as well that the spring does seem like a bit of overkill with respect to preventing the slamfire issue... and when I press check the rifle to see if there's a round in the chamber, it doesn't go back into battery unless you let the charging handle really fly forward...

I'll give it a try at the range this weekend and advise...
 
It is a personal issue for me that is all.
My gun with the old bolt will go back to full battery if bumped and if we follow murphy's law that if it can happen it will.

I have not had any slam fire issue's,I did not ask for an upgrade I was given one and I do not like it.
 
As CanAm said... virtually all guns will drop the hammer (or striker) a little out of battery, but, that doesn't mean the firing-pin is going to strike the primer.

Test with brass and primer only (i.e. no powder or bullet) and let us know :)
I do this test with every firearm I get for my own peace of mind.
 
No modern firearms should allow the firing pin to protrude enough to ignite a primer when it is out of battery. Any firearms firing closed bolt with rotating bolts should not do it.
 
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