TAVOR- Lessons learnt!

i dont have a tavor, but i kind of assumed a speed reload with it would be similar to an ak? grab a full mag with support hand, bump the mag release, insert full mag, hit bolt release.
 
j_case123 said:
i dont have a tavor, but i kind of assumed a speed reload with it would be similar to an ak? grab a full mag with support hand, bump the mag release, insert full mag, hit bolt release.
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Not quite. You insert the Tavor mag, like an AR whereas you rock the AK mag. The mag release of the AK goes forward, IIRC, so you can't bump it either. You have to strip and fling the empty out then rock in the full mag after.
 
onetwentyish said:
The second way is to note which side your double stack mag is loaded on, insert mag and charge rifle, release and check the mag to see that the next round is on the other side. This should stop any need of taking a good gun out of battery. Then re-insert mag and firmly and give a tug to ensure it is well seated. The second way is the way Travis Haley encourages students to learn, and I personally prefer it.
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I think this the coolest thing I learned all week. It's so obvious but I would have never thought of it.
 
Still alive said:
Not quite. You insert the Tavor mag, like an AR whereas you rock the AK mag. The mag release of the AK goes forward, IIRC, so you can't bump it either. You have to strip and fling the empty out then rock in the full mag after.
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I find the easiest way to reload it to simply rip the mag with your support hand and drop it while going for a new one, then firmly insert the mag and hammer to "bolt hold open block" to close the bolt and chamber a round. Ive tried the thumb thing with closing the bolt but the problem with that is on more than 1 occasion my thumb hit the block before the mag was fully seated. Running the bolt closed separate from inserting the mag ensures a chambered round.

Ive also tried the whole "bump the weapon hand back to drop the mag thing" but the problem with that is again I find it inconsistent. Not all mags drop free and missing the mag release can be pretty easy. Ripping the magazine out ALWAYS works and that why I do it.
 
Gee, now I know why there is a FA gadget available for the Tavor. For people who don't like to just pull back the cocking handle, let it fly and trust that IWI knew what they were doing in designing the rifle.
I too have found the factory trigger meets my needs right now. Heavier than I would like, but surprisingly clean. I can hit a 30" gong at 400m 2 times out of 3 with the iron sights from prone, so it can't be all that bad. And I don't need a target trigger to centre hit an IPSC silhouette at 25-50 metres.
 
84wh1 said:
Thats exactly what I do. Rest the firing pin in the carrier, put the bolt in....line it up and put the retaining pin back. Easy peesy
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I was watching a Youtube video on how to disassemble and reassemble the BCG. There must be some difference between the Gen 1-2-2.5 Tavors as well as the US ones. The US video showed the guy pulling the guide rod back about 1cm past the plastic rear piece to remove the retaining pin. Mine won't let me do that. The Canadian video showed the guy pushing the guide rod through the front of the BCG with a punch and it came out. I tried that and the the whole assembly twisted and the spring assembly disassembled and popped out! I almost had a hernia pushing the spring back into the catch! I must have a different model than what is shown on the vids!
I also made the mistake of thinking the firing pin had to be pushed in and held under pressure. This caused the pin to stick in the hole where the retaining pin goes thru and I got really frustrated with it. By trial and error, I realized the pin sits quite passively and that opens up the hole to fit only the bolt and the retaining pin went in easily! Lesson learnt!! Hope I did it right. I tried the assembly by pushing the firing pin in as far as it could go but it didn't come through the bolt. But if I twisted the bolt, the pin came through fine. Is this correct? Does the Tavor have a semi rotating bolt, like the AR?
 
Yes the bolt does rotate i believe. When i put the retaining pin back in, i need to push the push slightly so the pin lines up with the groves in the bolt. Then I push it in and she is good to go. As for the guide rod to remove the bolt, when I first got the rifle i was a little confused about how to pull it back. I thought mine wouldnt pull back far enough but then I realized I wasnt pulling back hard enough. There is a point where the rod seems to stop however when you get to that point, just give it a firm tug and you will feel it pull back a little more.
 
Still alive said:
Took my Tavor to the range today after a 6 month hiatus. Been shooting more AR lately.
Put the rifle through a few CQB drills with a buddy. The Tavor had previously been used as a paper puncher and this was the first time I ran it as a tac rifle. Boy! Am I glad I did. Learnt a few lessons about the manual of arms for this gun.
1) When you do a press check, DO NOT LET THE BOLT GO BACK GENTLY, like you would for an AR. Let it slam back or else the gun stays out of battery and your first round will not fire! I knew to let the bolt slam on a live round off the mag but did not realize a press check would cause the bolt to hang back!
2) Shooting support side ( weak hand) is a pain with the Tavor. I had casings bounce off the deflector, off my face and BACK into the chamber! I had 2 stovepipe type jams shooting weak hand. No problem with strong side at all. Bouncing off the face is not a problem for me but the stovepipes definitely were! Anyone else had this problem?
3) I have the stock trigger. Can't afford the new Sabra bow and trigger group yet. I found, under time and pressure, I never even noticed how heavy the trigger was at all! Shot 150 rounds today and all were A and some C zone hits on IPSC targets at 10-25yds.
4) Lining up the firing pin during re-assembly is a pain! Took me 45 mins to figure out where it actually sat in the BCG!
5) Hitting the mag release with the trigger hand takes practice. I kept gouging my wrist doing it. You have to make sure you hit it with the back of the thumb joint for best result. Those with shorter hands will have issues until you learn the technique.

Anyways, just wanted to share this with the Tavor newbies so you won't do what I did!
Maybe Dilligaf, onetwentyish and TVPP have some inputs?
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You dont do that on ARs either.
 
84wh1 said:
Yes the bolt does rotate i believe. When i put the retaining pin back in, i need to push the push slightly so the pin lines up with the groves in the bolt. Then I push it in and she is good to go. As for the guide rod to remove the bolt, when I first got the rifle i was a little confused about how to pull it back. I thought mine wouldnt pull back far enough but then I realized I wasnt pulling back hard enough. There is a point where the rod seems to stop however when you get to that point, just give it a firm tug and you will feel it pull back a little more.
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Good to know! So you do remove the retaining pin by moving the guide rod to the back then? Does this vary for all the Gens? The Canadian Youtube video,showed the guy pushing the guide rod through the front whereas the US one had the guy pull it to the back.
 
Still alive said:
Good to know! So you do remove the retaining pin by moving the guide rod to the back then? Does this vary for all the Gens? The Canadian Youtube video,showed the guy pushing the guide rod through the front whereas the US one had the guy pull it to the back.
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The retaining pin on my BCG is released when you pull the bolt guide pin to the rear, like it says in the operator manual. Having just tried, my bolt guide pin doesn't go forward far enough to release the retaining pin. Believe mine is a gen.2.
 
Mine is a current gen Tavor. I pull the guide rod all the way back (past the point where you prob think it's all the way back. It will make a "click" when it's locked all the way back) then my bolt pin pretty much just drops out with a light tap. Then my bolt slides out nicely
 
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