Tavor question

You're likely to get more technical responses, but no. From my understanding 556 is a 'hotter' load and should only be fired out of rifles specifically marked 556.
 
Ben_in_Canada said:
You're likely to get more technical responses, but no. From my understanding 556 is a 'hotter' load and should only be fired out of rifles specifically marked 556.
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That’s not true for Tavors. They’re 5.56 and only marked 223 for export.

Besides, and it’s just my opinion, but modern military-ish designs are going to be designed for 223 and 5.56 even if marked 223.

Name me an instance where a 5.56 blew up a 223 gun.
 
Thanks Pink and Ben .
Okay , so one nay and one yea .
I’m seriously wanting one but I’d really like to find out the answer to this before I buy . I’d buy one anyways but it DOES make a difference for budgeting my ammo for it .
Went online and am not getting anywhere ...most of what I read refers to the military versions and I don’t want to assume based on that in case the civilian versions differ .
I know lots of CGNers own these so I’ll appreciate the guidance . I’m hoping 556 Milsurp is good for them as I have a cas3 of it and nothing to use it in .
 
5.56

A friend of mine has one and it has close to 8k thru it and at least half of this count is Norinco surplus 5.56. I know because he bought 4 crates back when CanadaAmmo had the 4 for the price of 3 deal. And his last 1k was that hot Independance lot.

Tavor is a 5.56 rifle marked 223rem for export purposes.
 
As others have said, they are marked .223 for export so that they are allowed out of Israel, you'll find this with many countries that they do not allow the export of military chambered firearms, so even though the barrel and chamber may be made to the exact same specs as its military equivalent, it gets a different stamp so it doesn't get held up during the export process.

The only modern semi-auto rifle that I can think of that to my knowledge has a .223 only chamber is the Canadian Kel-Tec RDB, for what reason they actually used a different chamber I have no idea...
 
DT741 said:
5.56

A friend of mine has one and it has close to 8k thru it and at least half of this count is Norinco surplus 5.56. I know because he bought 4 crates back when CanadaAmmo had the 4 for the price of 3 deal. And his last 1k was that hot Independance lot.

Tavor is a 5.56 rifle marked 223rem for export purposes.
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Thank you . If 8000 rounds have been fine , I’m sure it’s good to use 556 . I tend to ask a million questions before committing on purchases , especially more pricey ones .

I love the CGN community .
You all are the very best information source for firearms , and I sure appreciate the help .
 
onetwentyish said:
As others have said, they are marked .223 for export so that they are allowed out of Israel, you'll find this with many countries that they do not allow the export of military chambered firearms, so even though the barrel and chamber may be made to the exact same specs as its military equivalent, it gets a different stamp so it doesn't get held up during the export process.

The only modern semi-auto rifle that I can think of that to my knowledge has a .223 only chamber is the Canadian Kel-Tec RDB, for what reason they actually used a different chamber I have no idea...
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Thanks , that’s interesting . I’ve looked at a kel tek , never shot one . 4 years ago , I shot a fellow range members tavor and since then , through all of the more “ affordable “ rifles I’ve bought instead of the tavor, I’ve NEVER found one that shoulders and fits me so perfectly . I had a mini 14 , spent MORE then I would have if I’d just bought the tavor in the FIRST place and still hated shooting it !
Finally , I’m ready to buy the Tavor and stop getting the second best fit .
My mini had both cals stamped on it IIRC .
 
Ben_in_Canada said:
I learned something new today. I love this forum.
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The body of knowledge here is seriously second to none .
The people on here have never failed me and I always feel I’ve done my due diligence before purchasing because of their willingness to share the knowledge gained through experience ( which beats hands down all other sources ) .
 
Dagmaar said:
The two I saw were marked 223 . The last rifle I owned in both was marked “ 223/556 “ so I knew both were fine .
Anyone who owns one marked 223 that shoots 556 milsurp all the time let me know .
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Sold mine to that guy in Canmore. But before that I shot about 2 cases of each thru ours, no issues, really don’t notice if one is hotter than the other. I buy what ever is least expensive. Almost time to clean it maybe.....lol. keep it oiled but that’s about it. With a fresh shot of oil every time we shoot I have no FTF or FTE. Buy one and don’t look back, so much fun, especially with some of the other mags you can get. Buy it now before they know you have one.
 
About the Independence ammo, I spoke with Federal last Fall about Independence ( I was seeing swiping and blown primers in an SBR) and according to the production engineer, it is “full snuff” 5.56 that meets the full 5.56 spec. Apparently it’s made by IMI in Israel for the IDF, and they supply it to Federal under the Independence label for distribution in North America. IMI is one of two manufacturers Outside the USA that is approved To manufacture ammo for the US military. The guy told me the Federal military ammo made at Lake City is Not full spec 5.56 and is slightly underpowered as per a military requirement. So it’s not that Independence is hot, it’s just hot compared to most other brands that are not full spec.

All that to say in terms of the original post, IMI makes Independence ammo, and IWI is a division of IMI. I’M very confident that the IWI Tavor is designed to safely fire full snuff 5.56.
 
onetwentyish said:
As others have said, they are marked .223 for export so that they are allowed out of Israel, you'll find this with many countries that they do not allow the export of military chambered firearms, so even though the barrel and chamber may be made to the exact same specs as its military equivalent, it gets a different stamp so it doesn't get held up during the export process.

The only modern semi-auto rifle that I can think of that to my knowledge has a .223 only chamber is the Canadian Kel-Tec RDB, for what reason they actually used a different chamber I have no idea...
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Re: RDB. That's incorrect. I contacted Keltec US and they said the Canadian exports are marked as .223 for that reason only. They don't make a differenent 20" barrel just for this market. It is the same barrel as the US 20" version.
 
Green75 said:
About the Independence ammo, I spoke with Federal last Fall about Independence ( I was seeing swiping and blown primers in an SBR) and according to the production engineer, it is “full snuff” 5.56 that meets the full 5.56 spec. Apparently it’s made by IMI in Israel for the IDF, and they supply it to Federal under the Independence label for distribution in North America. IMI is one of two manufacturers Outside the USA that is approved To manufacture ammo for the US military. The guy told me the Federal military ammo made at Lake City is Not full spec 5.56 and is slightly underpowered as per a military requirement. So it’s not that Independence is hot, it’s just hot compared to most other brands that are not full spec.

All that to say in terms of the original post, IMI makes Independence ammo, and IWI is a division of IMI. I’M very confident that the IWI Tavor is designed to safely fire full snuff 5.56.
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The Independence and Federal XM193 both run 3250ish fps from a 20" barrel. If they have downloaded anything I don't know where it was done. Independence ammo sure does seem to have a lot of complaints about being too hot though. Not velocity wise but blown primers etc.

FWIW IWI also makes M193 for Winchester. It comes in the white box marked "5.56 NATO". It's good stuff IMO, doesn't seem to have any issues that it's supposedly identical Federal offering does. Mind you I only fired a few hundred rounds of it...
 
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