I had a type 97, I sold it after 6 weeks remember.
Tavor: Time To **** Or Get Off The Pot!
- Thread starter One Lung Wonder
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I had a type 97, I sold it after 6 weeks remember.
There is an easier way to find a good load for your gun. Load up 3-5 rounds going from the starting load up in half grain increments eg 3 rounds at 10gr 3 rounds at 10.5 etc. one of these will show better groups than the others. That's a node. in between that load and the load where accuracy drops off there is the best load for that powder and bullet weight. you can play with COAL, primers after that. There are multiple nodes that occur as well. you can research that on your own. Happy shooting. Loading can be done with very little space as well.
When I load a cartridge like .223 with such a small case capacity I increase by 0.2gr or 0.3gr each load. But other than that you are doing exactly what I do to develop loads for my rifles. It's a little slow but it works.
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It wouldn't make any difference if people posted what gives 1/2 moa groups in their rifle because every barrel is different. What works well in one person's rifle may not work in your's.
A perfect example of this is my first HK SL8-4 loved 75gr Black Hills Match HPBT and would shoot 1 moa all day with it but my new HK SL8-4 shoots the same ammo into about 3 moa.
This is why it is useless to share reloading data as well. If someone asks me for my recipe I'll share but It's always just something they could have gotten out of a reloading manual since all my loads are somewhere in between the min and max published load in one of my books.
There are certain combinations that seem to work well in MOST rifles, federal gold medal match 308 is one of those.
Check out this site http://optimalchargeweight.embarqspace.com/
Once you have read through what he has to say go to the OCW recipies and try them out. I haven't tried many of his loads because I don't use the same powders or bullets most of the time but there is some really good info there.
Mystic Precision's website also has some really good info on load development and ladder testing.
now you are starting to catch on........ It is like the reviews on here, some guys save for a long time to buy what they think is the best rifle and then do a review of this thing they have posted about wanting and how good it is for months or years prior purchase. Now do you think they are going to dare post that it was not what they were expecting or are not happy with it after such a huge build up? I bet 99% won't say anything other than it was exactly what they posted about for months for fear of looking like an idiot.
It takes a while to figure out who knows what they are talking about on this forum and who are just the fan boys who will like anything they own and claim it it perfect regardless of problems.
I don't find myself hilarious at all. I have problems with my version of this rifle and I'm looking for help, whether that's the trigger, the ammo, whatever. Hearing about people shooting 1 moa and such and laughing at my situation doesn't really help me now does it.
I shot one of the first ones that anyone ever had in my area and then tried another one just recently that was purchased 8 months ago. even tried varying bullet weights of factory ammo including match loads varying in weight up to 77gr wich shoot very well in my SL8 and .5moa in the swiss sniper I had.
I hold any rifle the way I hold it, does holding it a certain way when it is bagged on a bench change the accuracy? It doesn't seem to matter for my other rifles including bullpups but maybe you are on to something.
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no it does not, I found it to be a 2moa rifle at best, but closer to 3 because it was not consistent enough for me to tell if it was me or the rifle the issue was with. From the ones I see at the range and their shooters I am not seeing anything under 2moa, usually much worse.
Others post amazing accuracy but I don't think I have seen any of them post targets with their claim but I have not looked hard either
just my two cents which are worthless
I listened to the 16 minute mark up until he mentioned you can shoot prairie dogs at 400yards with it.
Whoever narrated that has no idea what he is talking about. 'Frickin' tool dudes' is how I'd describe him -in his own words.
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Ok, took some proper Laphroaig scotch to watch the rest of that abortion of a video (to the accuracy report- no further).
My opinion above stands. The guy is a tool, maybe a complete knob. 3 rounds doesn't make a group. Combine all of his shooting and the rifle is printing into 5" at 100m. Whut?
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- Aaaaaadmontin AB
Well boys, here we go! The results are in, and me and my new Tavor remain firmly seated on the pot!!!
All this is at 100 yards, with the Tavor fresh out of the plastic bag it comes in (sealed for freshness, no doubt!) I took the Zeiss off the AR, slapped it on the Tavor and proceeded to sight in with some practice ammo I brewed up about a year ago. I lucked out, the rifle seems to like it and I have 700 rounds brewed up and ready to go. Sorry fellas, this is the best I could rig up on short notice. That exact same set up, though - with a heavy barrelled gun will allow me to do sub MOA all day long...but it isn't the best for a tall gun like the Tavor.
Not bad; I dialled right in with a 6 rounds...but I can't remember the powder or primer, it is just mellow patty-cake practice ammo. I put three across the chrony and they did 2713 FPS, 2787 FPS, and 2675 FPS. Pretty much where I want to be with a load like this and very similar to the velocities I was getting out of my AR with a 20" heavy pipe on it. That group came in at 1.559" and I pooped my pants with glee and bid farwell and good riddance to my AR15!
Then I shot these and pooped my pants in rage! They are some experimentals I had left over from the AR and had the 77 gr. Noslers sitting on 23.5 ~24.5 gr. of BL-C2.
The pattern was always the same. I would fire two close together and throw the third. I am pretty sure that's just me...but even with the crappy groups the gun averaged 2.1825" for the four. I will take that for the first time out and would like to keep that under 2" but we will see what happens. I definitely need more trigger time on this gun and did absolutely terrible off hand. Working through that long mushy trigger is a bear for a guy spoiled with tuned triggers, heavy barrels and all the good things in life.
And so, gentlemen, for now - as I said - I remain firmly planted on the throne! And so I shall conclude this informative shooting session with a poem that was written in my honor by a fine Scot of indeterminate parentage:
One Lung Has The Chits Again
One Lung has the chits again
I cannae use the cludgie;
He's perched upon the toilet seat
Half man, half giant budgie.
Ah told yuh, One Lung
Ya shouldnae huv the lukewarm
Tandoori Mince
So finish before
Ah kark mah breeks
And give the toilet bowl
A rinse.
All this is at 100 yards, with the Tavor fresh out of the plastic bag it comes in (sealed for freshness, no doubt!) I took the Zeiss off the AR, slapped it on the Tavor and proceeded to sight in with some practice ammo I brewed up about a year ago. I lucked out, the rifle seems to like it and I have 700 rounds brewed up and ready to go. Sorry fellas, this is the best I could rig up on short notice. That exact same set up, though - with a heavy barrelled gun will allow me to do sub MOA all day long...but it isn't the best for a tall gun like the Tavor.
Not bad; I dialled right in with a 6 rounds...but I can't remember the powder or primer, it is just mellow patty-cake practice ammo. I put three across the chrony and they did 2713 FPS, 2787 FPS, and 2675 FPS. Pretty much where I want to be with a load like this and very similar to the velocities I was getting out of my AR with a 20" heavy pipe on it. That group came in at 1.559" and I pooped my pants with glee and bid farwell and good riddance to my AR15!
Then I shot these and pooped my pants in rage! They are some experimentals I had left over from the AR and had the 77 gr. Noslers sitting on 23.5 ~24.5 gr. of BL-C2.
The pattern was always the same. I would fire two close together and throw the third. I am pretty sure that's just me...but even with the crappy groups the gun averaged 2.1825" for the four. I will take that for the first time out and would like to keep that under 2" but we will see what happens. I definitely need more trigger time on this gun and did absolutely terrible off hand. Working through that long mushy trigger is a bear for a guy spoiled with tuned triggers, heavy barrels and all the good things in life.
And so, gentlemen, for now - as I said - I remain firmly planted on the throne! And so I shall conclude this informative shooting session with a poem that was written in my honor by a fine Scot of indeterminate parentage:
One Lung Has The Chits Again
One Lung has the chits again
I cannae use the cludgie;
He's perched upon the toilet seat
Half man, half giant budgie.
Ah told yuh, One Lung
Ya shouldnae huv the lukewarm
Tandoori Mince
So finish before
Ah kark mah breeks
And give the toilet bowl
A rinse.
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So out of your setup 77grain nosler boat tails 24grains of BLC powder seems about right, I seriously need to get into reloading. Do you have a chrony so that we can check how fast those are flying?
I do have some 77 grain bthp that i can try out, but i'm not sure about the load.
I do have some 77 grain bthp that i can try out, but i'm not sure about the load.
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- Aaaaaadmontin AB
I only had three rounds of experimental ammo for each of the loads with BL-C2, Mike. I fired them for accuracy rather than across the chrony. I had tons of the practice ammo so I had some to spare to put across the chronograph.
No doubt my intellectual superiors will correct me - but I fire three, three round groups when I am playing with loads: 2 groups of three get shot on paper for accuracy, and one group of three goes over the chrony. It seems to work for me. I also load to the velocities published in the manuals - not the powder charges. To get the published velocities I sometimes have to exceed published charge weights - and can do so in perfect safety with a chrono and an eye out for pressure signs.
And yes! You NEED to get into reloading! I don't bother with factory ammo at all with my guns because I can make match ammo for less than half the cost of factory stuff. I will be doing some serious testing right away, this was just an introductory meeting with a new rifle so it probably doesn't count for much. I will post my data as it becomes available - it will be good to talk over with the pros.
No doubt my intellectual superiors will correct me - but I fire three, three round groups when I am playing with loads: 2 groups of three get shot on paper for accuracy, and one group of three goes over the chrony. It seems to work for me. I also load to the velocities published in the manuals - not the powder charges. To get the published velocities I sometimes have to exceed published charge weights - and can do so in perfect safety with a chrono and an eye out for pressure signs.
And yes! You NEED to get into reloading! I don't bother with factory ammo at all with my guns because I can make match ammo for less than half the cost of factory stuff. I will be doing some serious testing right away, this was just an introductory meeting with a new rifle so it probably doesn't count for much. I will post my data as it becomes available - it will be good to talk over with the pros.
I think this is the answer. People spoiled on match triggers in handguns cry foul that double action guns like the M&P9 have crappy accuracy, when people who are used to double action triggers can shoot bulls eye every time with the M&P9. Who is right? Is the M&P crap, or are some people just not used to a 6.5lb trigger pull? Well the Tavor has a 12lb trigger pull. What would that do?
I have no idea, since all you guys are measuring benched accuracy. But what else could it be?
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