Tavor vs ACR

[andrew3081]

Consider this,
If you are comparing a restricted class Tavor to an AR then who wins?

If you no longer factor in the non restricted classification of the Tavor I can't think of any category where it will outshine an AR unless you say they must both have the same length barrel, if you leave it open to use any barrel length you desire the advantage disappears. If you put a 10.5-12 inch barrel on an AR it will still shoot better groups that the Tavor and now the short overall length advantage of the Tavor is gone. A small loss in velocity isn't going to change anything when it comes to putting rounds on target by an experienced shooter.
No one can really argue that when it comes to position of controls and ease of use the AR wins. Also, like you said, for parts supply AR also wins. I do feel that the parts supply for the Tavor will catch up now that they are becoming more popular.

I'm not bashing the Tavor, I do like them but to me the only advantage they have over an AR is the non restricted status.
Personally, I can't think of any reason someone would buy one over an AR if the AR was non restricted.
The price would have to drop more than half for someone to buy one if the AR was non restricted.

Excatly, so like I said, tavor is more compact.
If you put 10.5" barrel on Ar15, it will become the same length as the 18.5" tavor. But if you put 10.5" barrel on a tavor and make it alot shorter.

And tons of Americans bought the tavor. Not everyone enjoy and likes Ar15.

The ar build I traded for the tavor stomped it for accuracy, trigger feel, lighter weight, and was actually more precise transitioning from target to target due to the longer length and skinnier forearm allowing a thumb over bore grip.
Without classification considered, the only advantage the tavor has, over that particular build, is shorter length.

A pic of that build.
The noveske 16" lightweight ss barrel is where the magic was.

Like I said, it depends on what you want your gun to do. The build you have is better than tavor in many ways. But the tavor is better when it comes to overall length, balance and COQ.

 

[cr5]

Excatly, so like I said, tavor is more compact.
If you put 10.5" barrel on Ar15, it will become the same length as the 18.5" tavor. But if you put 10.5" barrel on a tavor and make it alot shorter.

And tons of Americans bought the tavor. Not everyone enjoy and likes Ar15.

I bet that every one of those Americans owns a couple AR's. They are probably just curious and have the disposable income to give it a try.

Like I said, I like the Tavor but if I could take my AR's away from the range to play I wouldn't bother unless the price of the Tavor was a lot cheaper. $1500-$2000ish would be my limit all else being equal.

 

[mikethebike]

I have to agree, don't get me wrong I love my Tavor, and my wife really likes to shoot it too, but frankly if I was living in Arizona we'd own a few high quality ARs in .223 and 308, of different barrel sizes, and maybe 2 good AKs, I wouldn't even bother with the Tavor.

 

[SantaClawz]

No one can really argue that when it comes to position of controls and ease of use the AR wins.

Perhaps if you only used AR's your entire life, but those who are new to black rifles and start out on a bullpup such as Tavor instead of an AR, then for them Tavor controls are natural and jumping on to an AR would feel strange.

 

[Madmardigan]

Perhaps if you only used AR's your entire life, but those who are new to black rifles and start out on a bullpup such as Tavor instead of an AR, then for them Tavor controls are natural and jumping on to an AR would feel strange.

^^Spot on. The Tavor is my first true black rifle. I've spent quite a bit of time with it, and recently I got a chance to shoot my friends Noveske . This was my first time shooting an AR-15. And having spent so much time with the Tavor, I definitely prefer it over the AR. I'm not saying it's better, I'm just saying I'm better with the Tavor. It's not that I found the AR hard to use or anything, it just didn't feel as natural. (if that makes any sense)

 

[orthoboy]

This debate is wonderful.

 

[orthoboy]

I had the chance to hand my Tavor to my dad and two others, one LE. Nobody ever held one before. All put one inch groups into a tomatoe tin at about 78 yards. I think that says something when first timers can shoot with relative ease.

 

[cr5]

I had the chance to hand my Tavor to my dad and two others, one LE. Nobody ever held one before. All put one inch groups into a tomatoe tin at about 78 yards. I think that says something when first timers can shoot with relative ease.

That's very impressive shooting. They definitely point well and are easy to shoot once you get used to the trigger.
For anyone used to standard rifle configuration though, getting used to the control placement takes a bit of adjustment. It isn't awkward but it does take a little getting used to.
I like the Tavor but it doesn't have the "gotta have it" feeling for me. I've played with 3 different ones at the range and enjoyed them but can live without one.

My ACR on the other hand was a "must have"

 

[mikethebike]

What bulk factory ammo is best on the tavor, i'm having some spreads with standard bulk 55 grain AE?
I have a couple of boxes of 77 grain, but its almost 2$ a bullet, and im not in the mood to rezero my elcan on 2$ a bullet ammo.

 

[ntm]

62 grain pmc, if you can find it.

 

[Epoxy7]

62 grain pmc, if you can find it.

x2. Also 55 PMC will be much better for plinking than the AE55. I have both and the AE is fun for shooting gongs etc but it's cheap plinking fodder. But 62PMC would be my recomendation as well.

Haven't tried it yet but 63 RUAG GP90 might be interesting as well.