Tavor vs. Swiss Arms

Disaster Monkey

Disaster Monkey

Regular
EE Expired
Rating - 100%
27   0   0
Location
Victoria, BC
So I'm considering selling my Swiss Arms Classic Green Carbine and replacing it with a non restricted Tavor. The non-restricted classification is probably the biggest motivating factor. I just wanted to get people's thoughts on this. Am I setting myself up to be disappointed? The Swiss Arms is super slick, amazingly high quality. I know my own capabilities as a shooter do not do it justice. I know the Tavor will not quite measure up, but I'd imagine it will be good enough for my casual banging around and sitting in wait for SHTF. I also like the idea of more commonly available mags and the built in rail.

I shoot left handed.... is that really ok as it comes from the factory, or should I plan to adjust it for left side ejection? That requires parts, right?

Are there any other non-restricted black rifles that I should not fail to consider? Is there a CGN accepted best source to buy a new Tavor? Are all the non-restricted ones in country the same specs or are there variables to consider? Any must have accessories or recommended mags or optics?

I'm sure if I dug around I could find answers, but I'm hoping some enthusiasts won't mind answering me directly. Thanks very much for any input anyone can offer.

And here's a picture, because gun ####:
classicgreen.jpg
 
If your biggest motivating factor is because of Non-Res, have you considered the 20" barrel version of your rifle?
Also, I'm not sure what the rumor mill is churning out recently, but there was a scare of Swiss Arms being reclassified (I have no idea what's going on so I won't comment).
The Tavor trigger won't be as nice as your Swiss Arms either, consider that aswell.
 
I've handled and shot a rebarrelled carbine with an 18.6" barrel with integral flash hider. It's a work of art and would take one over a tavor any day.
 
Disaster Monkey said:
I shoot left handed.... is that really ok as it comes from the factory, or should I plan to adjust it for left side ejection? That requires parts, right?
Click to expand...

You will need a left-hand bolt and a 'barrel wrench' for the barrel (a modified large Allen key works) to change over the Tavor to left handed shooting. Despite what is often reported here, you will definitely want to convert it over as the rifle cannot be comfortably and reliably shot left-handed without.

If you have an opportunity, try and shoot the Tavor before you dive in.
The Swiss carbine in my experience, is certainly smoother and more accurate.
 
beltfed said:
You will need a left-hand bolt and a 'barrel wrench' for the barrel (a modified large Allen key works) to change over the Tavor to left handed shooting. Despite what is often reported here, you will definitely want to convert it over as the rifle cannot be comfortably and reliably shot left-handed without.

If you have an opportunity, try and shoot the Tavor before you dive in.
The Swiss carbine in my experience, is certainly smoother and more accurate.
Click to expand...


I take it you've never seen how the Israelis do it... It can, is and has been shot left handed in rh configuration. Just because you can't doesn't mean others can't also.
 
I would also keep an eye out for nr acrs on the ee. Can prob find one in the same price range. Love mine.
 
Considering the whole FRT thing is going on month after month longer than what the nay sayers are saying I would get out well you can if that is your only rifle and you can only afford one, that rifle I would say is a 60/40 of it going prohib!

That being said I love the Swiss Arms and hope it doesn't go that way.
As for the going the Tavor route I say go for it if it floats your boat...Personally I love the Swiss arms and I'm a bigger guy with a reach that I like longer traditional style rifles, but the Tavor is awesome...The trigger is rougher but you will get use too it.
 
Kewl said:


I take it you've never seen how the Israelis do it... It can, is and has been shot left handed in rh configuration. Just because you can't doesn't mean others can't also.
Click to expand...

I didn't say 'it can't be done'. I said it 'can't be done comfortably and reliably'.

Meaning to say that if you are a left handed shooter (as I am), and have a +$2500 rifle that is known as a Tavor (as I have had) and you want a comfortable, consistent shooting experience (as I do), you will likely want to spend the extra money on the conversion (~$200 for the bolt and potentially $0 for the barrel wrench). YMMV.
 
Throttle_monkey1 said:
I've handled and shot a rebarrelled carbine with an 18.6" barrel with integral flash hider. It's a work of art and would take one over a tavor any day.
Click to expand...

I have a question for when you say 18.6" barrel with integral flash hider.

In the USA you can take a 14.5" barrel and install a 1.5" flash hider for an overall length of 16". If the flash hider is pinned and welded it is then considered a 16" barrel because the flash hider is permanently mounted.
Would the same apply in Canada at 18.6" or must the barrel be 18.6" + the length of the flash hider?
 
Disaster Monkey said:
So I'm considering selling my Swiss Arms Classic Green Carbine and replacing it with a non restricted Tavor. The non-restricted classification is probably the biggest motivating factor. I just wanted to get people's thoughts on this. Am I setting myself up to be disappointed? The Swiss Arms is super slick, amazingly high quality. I know my own capabilities as a shooter do not do it justice. I know the Tavor will not quite measure up, but I'd imagine it will be good enough for my casual banging around and sitting in wait for SHTF. I also like the idea of more commonly available mags and the built in rail.

I shoot left handed.... is that really ok as it comes from the factory, or should I plan to adjust it for left side ejection? That requires parts, right?

Are there any other non-restricted black rifles that I should not fail to consider? Is there a CGN accepted best source to buy a new Tavor? Are all the non-restricted ones in country the same specs or are there variables to consider? Any must have accessories or recommended mags or optics?

I'm sure if I dug around I could find answers, but I'm hoping some enthusiasts won't mind answering me directly. Thanks very much for any input anyone can offer.

And here's a picture, because gun ####:
Click to expand...

Tavor vs. Swiss Arms

inaccurate vs. accurate
 
thump_rrr said:
I have a question for when you say 18.6" barrel with integral flash hider.

In the USA you can take a 14.5" barrel and install a 1.5" flash hider for an overall length of 16". If the flash hider is pinned and welded it is then considered a 16" barrel because the flash hider is permanently mounted.
Would the same apply in Canada at 18.6" or must the barrel be 18.6" + the length of the flash hider?
Click to expand...

In Canada the barrel length refers to the total length of rifled barrel not overall barrel length with features added on.
 
beltfed said:
I didn't say 'it can't be done'. I said it 'can't be done comfortably and reliably'.

Meaning to say that if you are a left handed shooter (as I am), and have a +$2500 rifle that is known as a Tavor (as I have had) and you want a comfortable, consistent shooting experience (as I do), you will likely want to spend the extra money on the conversion (~$200 for the bolt and potentially $0 for the barrel wrench). YMMV.
Click to expand...

I think it would just be easier to special order one configuered for left hand use through your local gun store and not have to pay the extra 200$.

Also what do you need the barrel wrench for when converting to left handed use?
 
I wasn't impressed by the accuracy of the Swiss and traded mine off. I don't think the Tavor is any better but at least the Tavor doesn't look like it might be going prohibited any time soon. That being said, good luck getting a decent price for your Swiss right now.
There aren't many options out there that are built as well as the Swiss but there is nothing wrong with the Tavor, HK SL8, XCR or the ACR, all are very different and it depends what you want it to do for you. If you don't care about the restricted status just get a decent AR as they will outshoot anything out there with a decent barrel installed, plus parts and accessories are everywhere and cheap.
Ian at Herron arms can rebarrel it and I think someone said CSC can do it as well. Steve Janes is the guy to ask about that but I wouldn't spend any money on one until the RCMP announce their decision.
 
Disaster Monkey said:
Is there someone in particular I should approach if I were considering rebarreling my carbine?
Click to expand...

I think Herron Arms can rebarrel a Swiss carbine to NR . I would think about doing it if i had a carbine because of this recent prohib status scare be nice to get it off the books and save it from a potential RCMP smelter .. And you will get more velocity a 18.5 barrel has much better ballistics, and when you convert a carbine to NR it is less front heavy and handles better than a full length Swiss . Im guessing it could cost upward of a grand though .
 
boss351cleveland said:
I think Herron Arms can rebarrel a Swiss carbine to NR . I would think about doing it if i had a carbine because of this recent prohib status scare be nice to get it off the books and save it from a potential RCMP smelter .. And you will get more velocity a 18.5 barrel has much better ballistics, and when you convert a carbine to NR it is less front heavy and handles better than a full length Swiss . Im guessing it could cost upward of a grand though .
Click to expand...

So your suggesting he makes himself a criminal?
Then what are you going to do with it?
Get caught with it and get charged with possession of a prohibited firearm then come on here and cry about how unfairly you've been treated.
Bury a $3000 rifle in your back yard and never use it again unless the zombies come? Oh wait $4000 with a new barrel. If I'm going to own a $3000+ rifle I want to be able to use it. Bury a couple SKS's and a couple crates of x39.
Better ballistics? Going from a 14 inch to an 18.5 inch barrel will give you maybe 100fps and that isn't going to do much for you at ranges less than 500yds. The 223/556 is fine with anything over 10 inches of barrel for what most people do with a light caliber battle rifle. This is far from a sniper rifle.
Front heavy? My 20 inch classic green wasn't bad, It was much heavier than my 12 inch AR but was still easy to shoot offhand at steel plates at 50yds.

Sell it if you can get a fair price or wait till the RCMP make their decision before spending money on it. Would really suck to spend another $800-$1000 on it just to have to turn it in a month or two later.
 
Kewl said:
"I didn't say it can't be done, I said it can't be done..."
Is this a joke?
Click to expand...

There is a difference between not being able to do something at all and not being able to do something comfortably and reliably. He did specify the difference. Quit nit-picking and trying to be a d!ck. He's right, the Tavor can be shot left handed when set up for right handed but it's better to buy the left hand parts if you are a lefty.

What they should do is offer you both options when buying it new and not charge you extra. Just supply it set up whichever way the buyer wants. Paying extra for the parts is silly just to have the old parts sit in a box the rest of the time you own the rifle.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom