TBA m40 import?

In regards to Highspeedlowdrag's comment about Us boys wanting to make a copy
of the timberwolf.I would agree whole heartedly.But,The Timberwolf is a propriety
action made by PGW .The M40A1is based on a Rem 700.gunsmiths Ive talked
with say aRem 700 is a Rem 700.unless you go to the custome shop.
all other modifications are modification. There is no reason that a excellent gunsmiths like ATR PGW etc cant make those same mods.to the same spec.
And after all the civi versions are not done by the military .They are copy's
done by former military armorers.In the end its a copy.
On the other hand for a copy of the timberwolf the person doing it would
have to get all of the propriety custom made parts from Steve at PGW
As well ACRMIIW the Timber wolf is made from Titanium. which I think would
require some different machining and tooling.
I'm not intending to offend anybody just offereing my 1.5 cents worth (Im not that smart)
regards
 
How about the M-24 ? I'm guessing that the hardest part (if not impossible) to get up here would be that funny electronic-looking scope they have on them, what the heck IS that thing anyways ?
 
In regards to Highspeedlowdrag's comment about Us boys wanting to make a copy
of the timberwolf.I would agree whole heartedly.But,The Timberwolf is a propriety
action made by PGW
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No offence taken. The point I was trying to get across is that if you want something that is as close to spec as the "original", then why not go to the source. The one I have in the pic was in fact put together "in country" with parts I personally gathered up from the US. Unfortunately, in the end it did not meet my requirements so I parted with it. Yes the Timberwolf is in fact built on a proprietary action, and if I could afford one, I sure as hell would have one in my collection. But that's not the point here. The M40A1/A3 are built on Remington 700 actions, but it is the way they are put together, and the sum of the parts (including the stock, bottom metal, scope mount, barrel, etc...) that makes up the system - just as the Army's M24 also uses a 700 action (although be it a long action rather than a short) but is a totally different animal....:)

hsld.
 
The point I was trying to get across is that if you want something that is as close to spec as the "original", then why not go to the source.
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If you want a 100% new M40A1/A3 you will never see it. It is built by marines for marines. Unless Quantico has just opened up a Civilian off sales. Any other M40 you buy no matter where you buy it will be a "Knock off".......so If you are going to buy a knock off buy a good one in Canada. If you are going to buy the Original Marine Made M40-A1. Let me know what jail you will be posting your reviews of the rifle from so i can send ya a care package.

Just an opinion.
 
If you want a 100% new M40A1/A3 you will never see it. It is built by marines for marines. Unless Quantico has just opened up a Civilian off sales. Any other M40 you buy no matter where you buy it will be a "Knock off".......so If you are going to buy a knock off buy a good one in Canada. If you are going to buy the Original Marine Made M40-A1. Let me know what jail you will be posting your reviews of the rifle from so i can send ya a care package.
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Easy there tiger... :roll: . If you'd read my posts, then you'd see that I DID get one built up in Canada, and I wasn't satisfied with the way it turned out. I took a considerable loss on that one when I sold it, but I'd prefer to start off fresh rather than keeping something that I wasn't happy with. Furthermore, thanks for pointing it out, but I'm afraid I already know that what I'd be getting is a "clone" of an M40A1 - but that it would be as close to the way it SHOULD be built as could be. BTW, there are companies out there that do employ ex-marine armourers, so Quantico doesn't have a monopoly on skilled/experienced gun plumbers. I've based what I've written here on extensive personal reasearch and first hand experience - not just assumptions or from what I've read somewhere....

Anyways, this post seems to have gotten away from it's original intention. I said my piece and won't comment anymore on this as it appears that there are more informed individuals here who seem to know better.... :?

hsld.
 
Guys,

All that M40A1 is, is a US Military designation. It is a few numbers and letters, nothing more. Sure, it is built inhouse by trained USMC 2112 armourers, but those armourers eventually retire, and they take thier trade with them, ie. Norm Chandler and his guys at IBA. Rick at ATR, George Gardner of GAP, Mike Lau of TBA and Norm Chandler of IBA all build M40A1 rilfes of superoir quality then what the Marines did, as do a bunch of other rifle builders in the US. Some use the M40A1 designation, some don't. Example, all of the guys that work in Norm Chandler's shop at Iron Brigade Armory, are former USMC 2112 armourers who have taken what they learned in the USMC, as did Norm Chandler when he was there for many, many years, and improved on it. Like I said, just a designation, and if some of you think that to have a real M40A1, is has to be built by the Marines for the Marines in the Amrines weapons branch, you are wrong. Norm at IBA and Mike at TBA build them it exactly the way the USMC built them, same scope base and rings clip slotted and even the Unertl scope. It is the same thing with improvments to the gun itself, nothing more. If you want an M40A1 built to exact specs as the USMC, any of the above can and will do it. Again, it is only a designation. :mrgreen:
 
By no means was I trying to offend you, but by reading your posts I got the impression that you were looking for a 100% m40-A1, the only point I was trying to make is that there are very reputable gun makers here in Canada that can make you or anyone an M40 that will shoot better than the Marine issue M40. It kills me to see Canadians send thier money south of the border when there is so much available here in Canada. If you got stung on your last one I must say I am sory to hear that, but I wouldn't knock all Canadian rifle makers based on one bad experiance. If you are looking for a Marine builder here in Canada PM me and I will point you in a good direction. And if my post offended you I appologize because it was not ment to do so, but to inform based on what I have been led to believe as fact.
 
I have to agree with LRC 100%. It also drives me nuts to see our money going south to support the US firearms industry when we have one here that is getting smaller and smaller. I am going to go one step further then LRC and give you the name of a top notch, if not the top rifle builder who "I" think can build an M40A1 that will exceed USMC specs. Cll Rick at Alberta tacical Rifle. His product and service is second to none. He is not that bad a guy either! :mrgreen:
 
It also drives me nuts to see our money going south to support the US firearms industry when we have one here that is getting smaller and smaller.
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Well I disagree on that and the reason our firearms industry is getting smaller is all you have to do is look at the assclowns that govern this country.I do support the US Firearms manufacturers as the prices are what drives our purchases.I am sure that given the Cost of having an exact M40A-1234 made will be cheaper after all is said and done [Exchange Rate,Taxes and Fees]than it would cost to have the same thing built here.It is the truth :(
 
Well that is a choice every individual here will have to make. I have no problem with dealing with U.S. merchants, Only if it isnot available in Canada. But my personal choice is to deal with Canadian 1st then head south. Our firearms industry is small enough as it is. I live in a large center with lots of dollars and we still have no gun shop getting ammo is a real ##### without going down to edmonton, which I have no problem with. Yes you will in some instances save dollars heading south. My problem is if we all do that without supporting our Canadian firearms buisnesses it's only a matter of time before we have no choice but shop in the states. If you want our firearms industry to grow, In my opinion we Canadians have to Support our Canadian Buisness. When the US see's how good the PGW Timberwolf is and replaces the M40 with it will you go to the States for a Clone.......I sure hope not. but again that is your choice.

Just my opinion.....and no I'm not a buisness owner, Just a Canadian Eh!!
 
Just an example for cost differance. Norm Chandler, the US guru of Rifle building, will charge you well over $6000.00 US for an M40A1 with Unertl/USO scope and all accesories to go with it. I can guarantee you that it would not cast that much here for rifle buidlers here, ie. ATR and PGW.
 
Wouldn't it just be ironic to have a Canadian manufacturer stard building rifles that have all the characteristics of the M40, for a fraction of the price, be vastly superior to either the originals or any of the U.S. made commercial copies, AND that they would be off-limits to Americans due tot hem being stamped M40 on the receiver ? :lol:
 
Well I disagree on that and the reason our firearms industry is getting smaller is all you have to do is look at the assclowns that govern this country.I do support the US Firearms manufacturers as the prices are what drives our purchases.I am sure that given the Cost of having an exact M40A-1234 made will be cheaper after all is said and done [Exchange Rate,Taxes and Fees]than it would cost to have the same thing built here.It is the truth
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Alot of the reason many custom built rifles or clones of things the US will not export is so high, is that the main components have to be imported from the US.
The sheer volume , or lack of it in Canada makes it really impossible to try and compete pricewise. The cost of parts, and the freight and then what the government steals before it is made into anything is very nearly the cost of the US produced item. Then with the cost of living being so much higher in Canada, coupled with the tremendously smaller consumer base, it makes it impossible to go head to headon pricepoint. The US makers products are for the most part no better than what is made in Canada, but ask how many guys have heard of McMillan or HS compared to Ian Robertsons stocks, same with barrels, RKS barrels are as good as any, but no-one considers Ron a big name ,like say Lilja. I am not knocking Lilja's product for an instant, but are his semi mass produced barrels better than the individually produced 1s of Canadian craftsmen ??
As long as Canadians are prepared to continually support foreign content it makes it hard to grow Canadian business to the degree that semi mass production can enter the picture, hence prices stay higher, regardless of the product.
Between the governments interference and the publics apathy and fixation with cheapest price, is there any wonder that the number of arms and ammo makers in Canada has declined so sharply? Almost to the point of extinction.
The government is only part of the problem guys. What will happen to the Canadian gun culture if Uncle Sam closes the export door totally?? There really is very little in the way of gun makers now, and nothing to speak of ammo wise, not a pleasant prospect to think about is it???
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RobSmith said:
Wouldn't it just be ironic to have a Canadian manufacturer stard building rifles that have all the characteristics of the M40, for a fraction of the price, be vastly superior to either the originals or any of the U.S. made commercial copies, AND that they would be off-limits to Americans due tot hem being stamped M40 on the receiver ? :lol:
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It is funny you should say that. Although we don't make the M40 we did make a copy of the M24 (C24). A company called Armament Technologies made the M24 clones and built it better, to the point were US service man opted to buy his rifles. Prior to finding out about AT I was interested in getting a rifle from Robar arms. That was until I came across real operators with the 8541 coin they put me onto AT and seeing he was Canadian made it that much easier to buy from. Sadly he is no longer producing rifles he has gone into the thermal optics field.

I think the reason most people think of US manufactures or custom shops for any project is simply advertising. We are bombarded with articles and write ups about these people and companies so when we look to buy or build something we think first of our US counterparts and then in most cases stumble on a Canadian smith that in most cases can do the same project equal to the US guy we were thinking about.
 
The only things i'll ever buy from the states are stocks (McM) and scopes.and maybe a Surgeon tactical action(still debating between S and PGW)
 
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