TC Pro Hunter comments

[philthygeezer]

my buddy saved up and got a TC ^pro hunter and i got a CVA wolf we went to the range i had mine shooting right on with 4 shots he could not get the same groups i was getting at all and my wolf was less then 300$ with scope and all powder and bullets way cheaper and shot better go figger DUTCH

My first time with my .223 barrel I was getting 1.5" groups at 50 yards. Then I changed the scope and mount and now I can shoot 3/4 minute of angle all day long with Winchester white box.

It isn't always the gun. How good does your friend normally shoot?

 

[philthygeezer]

Isn't that the truth. I think the main reason why they aren't even more popular is because a lot of guys don't have enough confidence with the mantra of "one shot, one kill".

It takes all of three or four seconds to pop another cartridge in. A hunter that unshoulders a bolt gun to cycle the bolt isn't much faster.

 

[stuckon308]

It takes all of three or four seconds to pop another cartridge in. A hunter that unshoulders a bolt gun to cycle the bolt isn't much faster.

Well there is that too. But how many people actually take a second shot at big game? The only time I ever do is hunting birds. There was one time when I had two whitetail tags and had my choice of three deer. I took my shot and was ready probably within a second for my shot on the second deer but it was already running away. Maybe I'm just not as good as shooting at moving targets but how many people take them on the run? Even if it was the deer of a lifetime I don't think I would shoot it on the move.

 

[canadian hunter312]

stuckon, i was comparing the prices of new TC's and barrels from cabelas with the old price of the stevens 200 of $300 (what i paid for mine). all barrels are listed at $400+ and the guns are on sale for $800+ so you're prices are likely for used guns and barrels? now that i see the barrels you have for sale, i see you posted prices on used barrels as the prices you quoted are cheaper than what you're selling used barrels for. lets compare new prices

comparing apples to apples, why is TC better than H&R? most accuracy reports on H&R's are sub moa...

 

[philthygeezer]

Well there is that too. But how many people actually take a second shot at big game? The only time I ever do is hunting birds. There was one time when I had two whitetail tags and had my choice of three deer. I took my shot and was ready probably within a second for my shot on the second deer but it was already running away. Maybe I'm just not as good as shooting at moving targets but how many people take them on the run? Even if it was the deer of a lifetime I don't think I would shoot it on the move.

I agree.

 

[stuckon308]

stuckon, i was comparing the prices of new TC's and barrels from cabelas with the old price of the stevens 200 of $300 (what i paid for mine). all barrels are listed at $400+ and the guns are on sale for $800+ so you're prices are likely for used guns and barrels? now that i see the barrels you have for sale, i see you posted prices on used barrels as the prices you quoted are cheaper than what you're selling used barrels for. lets compare new prices

comparing apples to apples, why is TC better than H&R? most accuracy reports on H&R's are sub moa...

The reason why the prices are different is because my wife bought me these and frankly I don't want or need them. She doesn't get the same deals as I do. It's a little harder for her.

From the H&R manual:

"WARNING : Do not attempt to interchange barrels from one H&R or NEF frame to another. Doing so could result in injury or death. Interchangeable barrels are available for some models, but they must be factory-fitted. Call our Service Department for details (978-630-8220)."

There are only ten or eleven calibers (and barrels) that I can see offered for H&R. Thompson Center has about 5 different barrel combinations for one caliber. And over 30 calibers to choose from.

Plus the fact that, in my humble opinion, they are ugly. Might convince people to spend a little more and buy an Encore/Pro Hunter. It's not just a little step up from the H&R like you are suggesting.

 

[dgl1948]

stuckon, i was comparing the prices of new TC's and barrels from cabelas with the old price of the stevens 200 of $300 (what i paid for mine). all barrels are listed at $400+ and the guns are on sale for $800+ so you're prices are likely for used guns and barrels? now that i see the barrels you have for sale, i see you posted prices on used barrels as the prices you quoted are cheaper than what you're selling used barrels for. lets compare new prices

They had them on sale here for $759.00 and TC had a rebate on top of this for barrels and firearms. I think the rebate ended on Dec 31. If I remember right the rebate was $75.00 on barrels. I do not remember what it was on the encore.

 

[canadian hunter312]

It's not just a little step up from the H&R like you are suggesting.

considering they apparently have the same average accuracy, i'd say it's a big step up on price to spend about 2.25x more on a TC that has the same accuracy as an h&r.

what advantages are there when using the same receiver with multiple barrels?
it seems to me like it's simply marketing...

 

[Traps]

considering they apparently have the same average accuracy, i'd say it's a big step up on price to spend about 2.25x more on a TC that has the same accuracy as an h&r.

what advantages are there when using the same receiver with multiple barrels?
it seems to me like it's simply marketing...

Its real simple, if you think that its marketing then you don't have a need for one.

 

[bearkilr]

I am seriously looking at this rifle in .308. I have never owned a single shot before. Any comments on the gun in general??

Thanks

I would buy a Ruger #1 if you want a nice single shot.

I've shot a few TC Pro Hunters/Encore. The big caliber ones kick like a mule, I'd attribute that to the horrible stock design/drop angles. I know a couple of people who had to send their bbl. back to TC due to accuracy issues and one fellow who had issues with the gun not firing all the time due to the hammer extension being too heavy, at least that's what TC told him was the problem. I see the newer ones come with a hammer that locks to either side, so no added weight.

Definitely shoot one before buying would be my recommendation. Some love them, many hate them. I'm in the latter camp. You can buy a H&R single shot for 1/3 the price, basically the same design.

 

[stuckon308]

considering they apparently have the same average accuracy, i'd say it's a big step up on price to spend about 2.25x more on a TC that has the same accuracy as an h&r.

what advantages are there when using the same receiver with multiple barrels?
it seems to me like it's simply marketing...

Have you shot either of them?

The advantage to having multiple barrels is that you can have a fine single shot that takes much less space than a full gun and is likely more accurate. You also have the option of other calibers. Have you tried getting a 375 H&H from any other make? It's not easy finding one that doesn't cost $500 or less. Especially if it can hit a pie plate from 100m.

If you don't like the idea of them, fine, say it and leave it alone. But to think that they have no advantage is ridiculous. Especially if you haven't owned one, or even shot one.

This is all I will say as I typically don't like repeating myself and most people probably want us to put them away and zip up.

 

[pbonura]

New player in town.

http://www.sunrisearchery.com/Apex.htm

Here is a review of a new player in town that I think tops T/C and H/R. Mike Bellm is recommending this gun to players who are looking for a rifle/muzzleloader/rimfire.

http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/

CVA Apex.

pbonura

 

[dgl1948]

considering they apparently have the same average accuracy, i'd say it's a big step up on price to spend about 2.25x more on a TC that has the same accuracy as an h&r.

I think you could apply this line of thinking to the pumps, levers, bolts and semi's there as well. Just think, no need to have custom built firearms. Oh, I did not know you were a financial advisor as well.

 

[philthygeezer]

• T/C stuff is very well-made, reliable and accurate. You can take the guns down with scope on barrel, reassemble and it will hit same POI.
  
• An Encore .30-06 with a 24" barrel has the same overall dimensions and similar weight to a Remington Model Seven in .308 with an 18.5 inch barrel. With a 4x compact on it, the same overall weight as a Marlin .30-30 without a scope.
  
• You can go big game hunting and stuff a .22 and .20 gauge barrel in your pack if you do the grouse and rabbits thing during the daylight hours.
  
• Scopes mount fairly well on them: I'd say better than on the average lever action.
  
• They are simple, solid and rugged. You can try most cartridges without mortgaging the house or opening a museum for all the guns you own.

 

[pbonura]

• T/C stuff is very well-made, reliable and accurate. You can take the guns down with scope on barrel, reassemble and it will hit same POI.
  
• An Encore .30-06 with a 24" barrel has the same overall dimensions and similar weight to a Remington Model Seven in .308 with an 18.5 inch barrel. With a 4x compact on it, the same overall weight as a Marlin .30-30 without a scope.
  
• You can go big game hunting and stuff a .22 and .20 gauge barrel in your pack if you do the grouse and rabbits thing during the daylight hours.
  
• Scopes mount fairly well on them: I'd say better than on the average lever action.
  
• They are simple, solid and rugged. You can try most cartridges without mortgaging the house or opening a museum for all the guns you own.

Agree but the damn guns are so so overpriced. Heck guys are selling used ones for $850 on this site. That is crazy. These are really really nice guns but the price is way too high. Plus I see a ton on this forum for sale, so that tells me that they are not the most accurate gun. I have a single shot CVA Apex with interchangeable barrel and I paid $600 taxes in for it and I did not need a trigger job and scope mount for my gun. I think there is such a big following because they spend so much money on advertising (hence the big price tag).

 

[philthygeezer]

Agree but the damn guns are so so overpriced. Heck guys are selling used ones for $850 on this site. That is crazy. These are really really nice guns but the price is way too high. Plus I see a ton on this forum for sale, so that tells me that they are not the most accurate gun. I have a single shot CVA Apex with interchangeable barrel and I paid $600 taxes in for it and I did not need a trigger job and scope mount for my gun. I think there is such a big following because they spend so much money on advertising (hence the big price tag).

I think there's a loss of perspective here. We're talking about a break-action, take-down rifle that shoots as well as most bolt rifles in the main. Getting 3/4" to 1.5" groups at 100 yards is pretty good for a gun of this type. T/C's warranty and customer care is also something to be copied.

You can get a Bushnell for 30% less than a Leupold and get the same or better optics. So forget about Leupolds then and go buy Bushnells.

 

[pbonura]

I think there's a loss of perspective here. We're talking about a break-action, take-down rifle that shoots as well as most bolt rifles in the main. Getting 3/4" to 1.5" groups at 100 yards is pretty good for a gun of this type. T/C's warranty and customer care is also something to be copied.

You can get a Bushnell for 30% less than a Leupold and get the same or better optics. So forget about Leupolds then and go buy Bushnells.

Only problem is you are not getting full value for your buck. The gun is worth 600 bucks tops, plus you are paying like 3 to 4 hundred for all the advertising. FYI the CVA Apex is the newe kid on the block and is a better gun than the Pro Hunter. Heck you do not need a trigger job.

 

[philthygeezer]

Only problem is you are not getting full value for your buck. The gun is worth 600 bucks tops, plus you are paying like 3 to 4 hundred for all the advertising. FYI the CVA Apex is the newe kid on the block and is a better gun than the Pro Hunter. Heck you do not need a trigger job.

I disagree. Fit and finish are excellent. If you think something is a full value because it puts five shots inside the same circle as something more expensive, then that would be wrong.

Do the CVAs have the same fit and finish, cartridge options and overall quality as the T/Cs? If so then we're talking apples and apples. Those who compare NEF rifles to Encores simply don't get it.

 

[pbonura]

I disagree. Fit and finish are excellent. If you think something is a full value because it puts five shots inside the same circle as something more expensive, then that would be wrong.

Do the CVAs have the same fit and finish, cartridge options and overall quality as the T/Cs? If so then we're talking apples and apples. Those who compare NEF rifles to Encores simply don't get it.

Right now the CVA Apex has only 14 calibres. Fit and finish is very nice, plus adjustable trigger. They are starting to introduce the barrels in Canada. It will give the encore or pro hunter a run for its money.

 

[dgl1948]

Some reviews on the CVA from another page.

Try something else
Date: January 17, 2011 I purchased the Apex in 30-06 last year. The gun was returned to CVA twice because of poor accuracy and the spent casing hanging up. The gun still has poor accuracy and the spent casing still hangs up. Very poor customer service. The second time the gun was to be returned, the manager of their customer service called me and said he would personally see that the gun was taken care of as soon as it arrived. 12 weeks later I had to call them and see what the status was. They advertise accuracy guaranteed, but will not specify what level of accuracy they guarantee

Should have bought a TC
Date: October 13, 2010 I first purchased the Apex as a .50 cal muzzleloader, it is a very nice looking gun, easy to clean, and handles nicely. I have had some troubles with accuracy from the muzzleloader. I really started to have problems when i purchased a 7mm-08 barrel for the gun. The first time i tried to slide a cartridge into the the barrel, the bullet extractor would not allow me to get it in there. I called CVA and was asked to send the barrel in so I did. It took 8 weeks to get the barrel back and it still did not work, i was able to get a cartridge in but once it was fired, the expanded cartridge would not pull out. I called CVA back and was handed off to a manager who would "call me right back", never got a call. Called again a few days later, was told i would be sent a shipping label and never recieved it, so i called a third time and was finally assisted in shipping the gun back to CVA. Another 6 weeks later, I finally recieved the gun back in a working condition. The work done of the barrel is evident since the bullet extractor was "resized" (filed-down) and i now have a re-worked barrel that i paid full price for. I have had accuracy issues with this barrel as well. I will never buy another CVA

cheap rifle
Date: September 8, 2010 first time i shot this gun out of the box it locked up. it would not breech. this is a cheap gun and i wish had not bought it. complete waste of money. i would not buy this gun, spend the extra money and buy a tc. customer service has been a joke and not much help. still waiting on the paper work from cva so i can ship the gun back in but that was a couple weeks ago. back up your work cva.