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Okay so in the next couple of weeks I'm by the grace of god coming into a bit of cash and am going to get into precision long range shooting. I plan on picking up a Savage 10FCP HS with a Sightron S3.
I'm not at all new to shooting, had an Sks, Cz 858, Poly 14 etc. But I'm completely new to using optics. I understand that using MilDots, you can pretty much figure out the range of your intended target. How is this done?
I'm still unsure on which type of reticle I should get, either mildot or this one here: http://www.mysticprecision.com/wp/1208/sightron-siii-8-32-x-56-lrmoa/. LRMOA I guess it is. With the LRMOA reticle can one still figure out the range of the target?

Like I said guys I'm completely new, but I don't want to get cheap stuff that I know I'll just replace in the future therefore I'm going all out ;)
Any input whatsoever will help out a lot. I do plan on becoming a member at the ORA eventually, but until then a buddy of mine is sitting on 200 acres and there is somewhat of a coyote problem :D

Thanks in advance guys

Brandon
 
How do you get God to grace you with enough money to buy a precision gun and sights like that? I been saving for a long time and still don't have enough for the gun alone yet!
It is good to know he likes shooting sports though!!!!
All kidding aside, congrats on getting into the sport...I can't wait.
regards, Brad
 
hitch.bd said:
How do you get God to grace you with enough money to buy a precision gun and sights like that? I been saving for a long time and still don't have enough for the gun alone yet!
It is good to know he likes shooting sports though!!!!
All kidding aside, congrats on getting into the sport...I can't wait.
regards, Brad
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Just a little inheritance left for me :) So technically it is money from heaven.


I think I get the mildots thing...

Say my target is 1.5 yards tall I multiply that by 1000 then divide by 1 mil read say, that would make my target 1500 yards away? Now at what zoom would that be?
 
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Forget the mildots, that's what they put those twirly knob things on the scope for:p Dial up the elevation you need and shoot at the center of the target.

Look into one of the Introductory Days with the ORA before you spend any money on rifles or glass.

www.ontariorifleassociation.org
 
I have articles on my website in the Tech section that should help you along.

Go to an intro day and all your questions can get answered. Great bunch of guys and you will see some excellent gear.

The Savage/Sightron combo is what I use on one shape or another. I feel it is a great place to start.

As to reticles, MOA works great for quick windage and elevation adj but a rangefinder and dialing up works best.

Enjoy your journey but save some money for reloading.

Jerry
 
Probably first thing you should do is decide what kind of shooting you will be doing. The rifle you have selected is intended for law enforcement (shooting people), and is not necessarily an ideal gun for target shooting or varmints. In the Savage line (which is about as good a factory choice as there is for accuracy) have a look at their real target guns; 12 Bench Rest, 12 F Class, 12 F/TR, and 12 Palma. If that is the kind of target competition you want to do, it would be better to go there directly. Buying a law enforcement type gun is probably a bit of a dead end road, unless you just salvage the action and put a custom barrel, trigger, and stock on it. For a combination informal target and varmint gun have a look at their 12 LRP, and 12 LRPV models. All these models have their Target AccuTrigger which can be set down to 6 oz. or so. The 10 FCP I believe only goes down to 2.5 lbs. In cartridges besides the .308 consider the 6BR and 6.5x284 as well.

Sightron are very good scopes. Just be sure you get a model that suits your requirements. For target shooting you want lots of power. For varmints a zoom is nice. Most find the mil dot reticle a lot better in theory than in actual practice. For the quality of guns you are looking at I would be tempted to back off on the money spent for the scope to the Sightron IIB Big Sky line, instead of the SIII, and spend a little more on the gun. You don't really need scopes with huge objectives, and 42 mm or so is fine.

Last if you are in Ontario, I believe they have some silly laws about the calibers/cartridges you can shoot. You may want to check those out to make sure you can hunt with it.

Hope that helps some,
 
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I have articles on my website in the Tech section that should help you along.

Go to an intro day and all your questions can get answered. Great bunch of guys and you will see some excellent gear.

The Savage/Sightron combo is what I use on one shape or another. I feel it is a great place to start.

As to reticles, MOA works great for quick windage and elevation adj but a rangefinder and dialing up works best.

Enjoy your journey but save some money for reloading.

Jerry
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Hey thanks for your input. I was actually planning on calling you guys and ordering this scope here http://www.mysticprecision.com/wp/1224/sightron-siii-3-5-10x44-lrmdcm/ plus a base and rings. I have been studying mildots and that all night and day :D I think I got it all figured out so I'm going to go with Mil-Dots when I buy. Anyways expect a call soon!

Brandon
 
Bro, I would seriously consider stopping by one of the ORA introductory days before you spend anything. I'm serious. If your object is "precision" there are better choices out there. There is an assumption that tacti-cool means precision, and that is not the case at all.

Scopes are a tool you tend to hang onto for a very long time, there is nothing wrong with the brand you mention, but in terms of magnification and reticles, these are important. You cannot get a feel for what will work for you by listening-to or reading what people contribute anonymously.

Take the opportunity to hang with people that can literally allow you to see and feel what constitutes a precision rig.
 
^^^Agree 100%. Get out to a Introductory day or a match somewhere and see what is around, look through a couple scopes etc.. If you really are going "all out", as much as I like Savage's, there are better choices if you have the cash.
 
I have mil-dot and fine cross hair and fine cross with a dot. Mil-dot is no advantage at all - just more clutter.

Stock shape matters as does barrel quality.

A single shot has a lot more bedding area on the bottom of the action than a repeater. It also allow the installation of a third action screw, which is a big advanatage on any rifle bigger than 223.

There is a limit to what you learn on the Internet. There comes a time you have to go to the range. The ORA Intro days give syou class room instruction from those who actually shoot the game and you get to shoot rifles. Then you can start buying guns.

Personally, I would be inclined to buy some kind of single shot target rifle action. Savage maes one and there are lots of other ones on the used market that you won't see in tactical dress. Like Swing, Paramount, Gaulin, RPA and Musgrave.
 
I wouldn't recommend mildots for the kind of competition shooting most people do in Canada, which is on approved ranges with known geometry. We know the distance to the target already and mildots are not accurate enough if you don't. It's a subjective topic, but in general experienced shooters say don't get a cluttered reticle - simpler is better.

SIII scopes are well spoken-of. I ended up going NightForce because I didn't like the Sightron reticles at the time but they have since come out with some new ones.
 
If you want to use Mil dots to determine distance to a TGT math is as follows 1mil = 1metre at a 1000m. Easiest way to do this you need to know size of tgt I use mm makes math easier multiply size of tgt in mm by number of mils in your scope this will give u distance to tgt in meters. It's not easy to do but once u get good at it works well. If you only shoot know distances wouldn't get one if you want to be able to shoot unknown distances get one of the "Picket fence" reticles like the luepold TMR much easier to get a measurement then a mill dot and it's much less obscured. If you get a MOA reticle like the sightron math changes 1in = 1moa at 100yards. Do your research talk to ppl who have the reticles pick one that best matches type of shooting your going to do don't always trust what the guy at the gun counter is telling you've I've overheard and been told some pretty rediculous things at some stores.

Best of luck
 
SwifTst said:
Hmmm thanks folks. Maybe I'll go to an introduction day before hand after all. Somehow I smell a Sako TRG purchase coming :D
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As Obtunded said "If your object is "precision" there are better choices out there. There is an assumption that tacti-cool means precision, and that is not the case at all."

Your comments and initial picks in a gun indicate you are really interested in Tacti-cool, and not precision. You've just jumped from one Tacti-cool gun to another.
 
Ron AKA said:
As Obtunded said "If your object is "precision" there are better choices out there. There is an assumption that tacti-cool means precision, and that is not the case at all."

Your comments and initial picks in a gun indicate you are really interested in Tacti-cool, and not precision. You've just jumped from one Tacti-cool gun to another.
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Well whatever. I like the look of the tacticool rifles. And from what I understand the Sako is pretty accurate and can be tacticool at the same time :D
 
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