Team Hoser HG match Mar. 4th
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mebiuspower
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Ammunition carrier rules
1. A procedural penalty will be assessed anytime a loaded magazine, speed loader or moon clip falls out of its pouch during a course of fire. Dropping a loaded magazine/speed loader/ moon clip during a reload is not a procedural error as long as the competitor does not leave ammunition behind.
Ammunition carrier rules
1. A procedural penalty will be assessed anytime a loaded magazine, speed loader or moon clip falls out of its pouch during a course of fire. Dropping a loaded magazine/speed loader/ moon clip during a reload is not a procedural error as long as the competitor does not leave ammunition behind.
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**** this above seems to only be inregards to as if you dropped a mag by mistake, as so long as you pick up up, as not to "leave any ammo behind", you're o.k...
the question is dropping a mag during reload, so i think and if that wasn't the question, I'm sure the previous post will confuse everyone..
and the below statement makes dropping empty mag on reloads, againt the rules, does it not ? **
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Approved reloads
Tactical Reload
Recharging the gun during a lull in the action by:
1. Drawing a spare magazine before the ejection of the partial magazine from the gun.
2. Removing the partial magazine from the gun.
3. Inserting the spare magazine into the gun.
4. Stowing the partial magazine somewhere on the person of the shooter.
Should the course of fire call for a Tactical reload and the magazine is empty while a round remains in the chamber, the empty magazine must be retained.
Reload with Retention
Recharging the gun during a lull in the action by:
1. Removing the partial magazine from the gun.
2. Stowing the partial magazine somewhere on the shooter’s person.
3. Drawing a spare magazine.
4. Inserting the spare magazine into the gun.
Should the course of fire call for a Reload with Retention and the magazine is empty while a round remains in the chamber, the empty magazine must be retained.
Course designers are urged to draft courses of fire that do not require tactical reloads or reloads with retention to be performed “on the clock”.
Slide-Lock (Emergency) Reload
Recharging the gun when it is completely empty by:
1. Removing the empty magazine.
2. Drawing a spare magazine.
3. Inserting the spare magazine into the gun.
4. Racking the slide or hitting the slide release button.
The slide does not lock back on some guns. In that case, the shooter will have to rack the slide. This is not a procedural error.
Reloads may only begin when the shooter is fully behind cover and will be deemed complete when the fresh magazine is seated and the slide is fully forward or the cylinder is closed.
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** so if the COF, specifically says retention reloads only or it calls for tactical reloads only, then you have to retain magazine regardless if empty or not ?
if if COF, doesn't mention squat about type of reloads permitted, then dropping empty mag is o.k. ? ......
but if ammo still in mag, then back to retention being utilized
what's up with if round in chamber then this or that ? why does the chamber have to be part of the mix ? I don't get it...
Please clarify this part...
1. A procedural penalty will be assessed anytime a loaded magazine, speed loader or moon clip falls out of its pouch during a course of fire. Dropping a loaded magazine/speed loader/ moon clip during a reload is not a procedural error as long as the competitor does not leave ammunition behind.
End of quote
**** this above seems to only be inregards to as if you dropped a mag by mistake, as so long as you pick up up, as not to "leave any ammo behind", you're o.k...
the question is dropping a mag during reload, so i think and if that wasn't the question, I'm sure the previous post will confuse everyone..
and the below statement makes dropping empty mag on reloads, againt the rules, does it not ? **
Start of quote:
Approved reloads
Tactical Reload
Recharging the gun during a lull in the action by:
1. Drawing a spare magazine before the ejection of the partial magazine from the gun.
2. Removing the partial magazine from the gun.
3. Inserting the spare magazine into the gun.
4. Stowing the partial magazine somewhere on the person of the shooter.
Should the course of fire call for a Tactical reload and the magazine is empty while a round remains in the chamber, the empty magazine must be retained.
Reload with Retention
Recharging the gun during a lull in the action by:
1. Removing the partial magazine from the gun.
2. Stowing the partial magazine somewhere on the shooter’s person.
3. Drawing a spare magazine.
4. Inserting the spare magazine into the gun.
Should the course of fire call for a Reload with Retention and the magazine is empty while a round remains in the chamber, the empty magazine must be retained.
Course designers are urged to draft courses of fire that do not require tactical reloads or reloads with retention to be performed “on the clock”.
Slide-Lock (Emergency) Reload
Recharging the gun when it is completely empty by:
1. Removing the empty magazine.
2. Drawing a spare magazine.
3. Inserting the spare magazine into the gun.
4. Racking the slide or hitting the slide release button.
The slide does not lock back on some guns. In that case, the shooter will have to rack the slide. This is not a procedural error.
Reloads may only begin when the shooter is fully behind cover and will be deemed complete when the fresh magazine is seated and the slide is fully forward or the cylinder is closed.
End of quote
** so if the COF, specifically says retention reloads only or it calls for tactical reloads only, then you have to retain magazine regardless if empty or not ?
if if COF, doesn't mention squat about type of reloads permitted, then dropping empty mag is o.k. ? ......
but if ammo still in mag, then back to retention being utilized
what's up with if round in chamber then this or that ? why does the chamber have to be part of the mix ? I don't get it...
Please clarify this part...
Right... No loaded mags abandoned.
No it does not... You can drop a partial mag, but you must not abandone it. Pick it up.
Unless stipulated in the CoF you can abandon empties.
Yes. It's "the task" (reload w/retention/tactical reload)that may be stipulated. Regardless of your ammo status. Everyone shooting the stage is required to perform the tasks if they are required as per the stage brief.
Bingo... We have a winner.
I've said it hundreds of times... It's just as important what the rules/CoF Don't say as what they do say, but many don't get it
If something isn't stated as required in the CoF then... Do whatever you want including dropping/abandoninmg your empties.
A gun with a round in the chamber is considered "loaded".. ie you still have at least one shot. With regard to the mag changes (tac/retent etc) it's the "task" of performing the reload that must be performed regardless of the pistols ammo status.
So.. Depending on the shooter/mag capacity of a particular gun etc it may happen that at the point in a CoF where say a tactical reload is required the gun in question is already at slide lock.. Well... In order to satisfy the CoF as written this shooter will have to perform the tact. reload regardless of his pistol's status. Remember... It's the "Task".. Not neccessarily what you would do if it were up to you.
So where it says.. Should the course of fire call for a Reload with Retention and the magazine is empty while a round remains in the chamber, the empty magazine must be retained.
All that means is that you're being forced to perform the task of whatever reload was stipulated ie. hanging on to that mag.
It's really very simple.. I don't really want to get into an online line-by-line explaination of the rules... If anyone doesn't understand something bring it up during a match and it'll be explained in 4 seconds.
Sorry to keep this going and I know things will become more clear at the match, but I want to be sure I show up with the right gear. I couldn't find anything in the rules about belts or concealment. There was a little on holsters and it says no "speed rigs", but is a Bladetech with a DOH attachment okay? How about a 1.5" inner and 2" outer duty belt?
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Hey leaving for the match. I hope the indoor range is heated????
