Technique: Trigger pull between heartbeats?

What heart beat, NOTHING matters to me, nothing else exhists for me while i'm lining up a shot , the only things on my mind are my target and my crosshairs. Once i've decided where the crosshairs have to be on the target to place the shot where i need it everything else disappears. The crosshairs keep moving slower and slower till they stop where I need them and then the trigger breaks, the gun goes off and scares the bejesus out of me. And. I have another bullseye.
My friends have laughed at me before because of having to call me 2-3 times to get my attention while i'm aiming.

M.
 
^ You're telling me that you don't see your crosshair bounce with your heartbeat when you shoot kneeling? Do you shoot free recoil or something? :p Or do you shoot benchrest?
 
I have the same problem as Ice-Pick. No heartbeat problem at all. Maybe it's all about the hold. Maybe it's all about the style and weight of the rifle. Very subjective, eh?
 
ICePIck,
It's been discussed that you need a heart to have a heartbeat and we all know they nicknamed you TINMAN.Could be worse ,they could of said Scarecrow!!!!!
:):)
You doing Borden this Sat or next?
G
PS .FWIW I can watch heartbeat in crosshairs.Trick is to get the trigger to break when crosshairs are at "correct" desired position.As IP said focus on "just that shot and the perfect break and follow through" cause stopping your heartbeat could be detrimental to ones well being.
Some shooters can actually control heartbeat.I just like mine to keep pumpin.
 
That's exactly what I experience... My problem is that between beats I have, at best, a little over a second, so not enough time to gently squeeze the trigger.

It's a .308 Win., and my point was to find some positions that were a bit more versatile, e.g. you don't see benches growing out of the ground at the local game park lol ;)

Don't approach it directly. If you try to make (or "force") the shot happen in between beats, that way leads to jerking the trigger...

Your job is to set the stage for a good shot to happen. Having done that, you don't grab the shot. You let the good shot come to you, when it's ready.

As Ganderite said, a lot of a good trigger break is handled subconciously by your brain. Getting to the final stages of making the shot is all done fully consciously - you've steadied up your aim, you've focused both your vision as well as your full mental concentration on the sight picture, you've stopped breathing, you've taken up the slack in the trigger). The rifle hasn't gone "bang" yet, but you know that it will in the next 1-5 seconds. From this point on, the job of your conscious brain is done. The shot will happen soon enough, you've decided that you're going to take the shot, now it is time to hand the job over to your subconscious (the only thing your conscious brain is now responsible for is to step in and stop the shot, in case of safety reasons, or if there's a wind change).

At this point, you don't decide "there it is, shoot now!". You just carry on with the trigger squeeze, watching the sight picture get better and get worse, and very soon the gun goes bang. And after not too much practice, you will find, 95%+ of the time it "just goes bang" when the sight picture actually is pretty good. And if you happen to be paying attention, the rifle will tend to "just go bang" pretty much midway between heartbeats, just about when it would be best to do so.

Don't snatch the trigger, don't poke it, don't help it out, don't force the shot off. Just let the shot take itself. If the shot won't go on its own after about five seconds, stop the shot, take several breaths, blink and clear your vision, and start over.

I used to have an air rifle, so I kind of regret not practicing this more when I had the chance based on what you describe. What I find most challenging in general is timing the trigger break... It begs the question: given that, even in a pattern, the crosshair will be over the mark only briefly for a given cycle, especially in the standing position, how to break the trigger so quickly with tugging?

I can't really help you with standing (my advice is for prone or rested shooting, irons or scope), most of what I know about standing is that "I find it's damn hard" (!). I know what a good sight picture looks like, and I know when I don't have one. When I shoot standing, I'm not particularly good at aiming. Though I am better than most at calling where the shot went ;-)

Perhaps a good offhand shooter can advise whether a "more aggressive" approach to getting the shot away is ultimately helpful or ultimately harmful...?
 
^ Thanks for that very detailed insight, rnbra_shooter, and I see you kind of got my point when you said that I tried to "force" the shot between heartbeats, cuz that's pretty much exactly what I wanted to do. I still find it puzzling as to how to make it subconciously break in between though.

I don't shoot standing, since my rifle is too front heavy (especially with the Parker Hale bipod... it's like 1.5 pounds!). I was shooting with the forend supported, sitting, with the elbow on my knee, not on the bench.
 
^ Thanks for that very detailed insight, rnbra_shooter, and I see you kind of got my point when you said that I tried to "force" the shot between heartbeats, cuz that's pretty much exactly what I wanted to do. I still find it puzzling as to how to make it subconciously break in between though.

It's hard to explain exactly how to get there. But at least you now know what was wrong with how you might have been trying to make the shot, and you also know what you are trying to achieve - training yourself so that your subconscious handles the details associated with the last 10% or so of the trigger break.

Obviously, it's pointless to apply 85% of the pressure needed to fire the trigger, and then just sit there looking at a pretty sight picture, and eventually watch as your vision goes fuzzy from staring and holding your breath. You want to GET ON WITH THE SHOT, but you're not trying to do something along the lines of "wait for it... look, there it is... quick, snap at it!!".

Once you've done the SET UP for a shot, and you're in the final stages of the trigger pull, you want the shot to FIRE. Perhaps a good way to start training to turn things over to your subconscious, is at this point to increase the trigger pressure at a measured, deliberate rate, with the intention of the trigger breaking in about 2-3 seconds. I.e. don't "snap" or "jerk" it, but basically proceed with "making it break, flawlessly, without any disturbance to the rifle". You're going to make the rifle fire, but you're trying to accomplish this in a certain WINDOW of time, not at an exact POINT in time.

I've never liked the term "surprise break", I never found that it helped me very much to either make good shots, or to fix various problems that I had developed (from time to time, I seem to teach myself how to flinch, and I have to spend lots of time teaching myself to not do that anymore!!) But I can understand why people use the term "surprise break", the idea is that you DO KNOW that the rifle is going to fire, and pretty darn soon (the next 2-3 seconds), but you're DON'T KNOW, and for that matter DON'T ACTUALLY CARE if the rifle fires in 1 second, or 2 seconds, or 4 seconds. All of those are acceptable outcomes.

Once you can mentally "let go" of your worry about controlling precisely when the rifle fires, you can direct all your efforts to producing a good steady sight picture over the next five seconds. And since the rifle will fire at some point during that interval, you're going to get a good shot out of it.

A certain amount of this can be learned while dry firing - so do as much of that as you possibly can. Learn your trigger, and how to control it. Learn how to make it go off deliberately, reliably, with neither delay nor hurry. EXPECT to hear the click happen, at precisely the "right" time, when the sights are just right.

I don't shoot standing, since my rifle is too front heavy (especially with the Parker Hale bipod... it's like 1.5 pounds!). I was shooting with the forend supported, sitting, with the elbow on my knee, not on the bench.

Well, that will give you a wobbly enough position, to really reward you for getting things right, or penalize you for getting things wrong. You might find that it takes an incredible amount of self discipline to cause yourself to accept that you want to fire the rifle DURING AN INTERVAL OF YOUR CHOOSING, and that you are not going to try to fire the rifle AT A POINT OF YOUR CHOOSING.

If you ever do any bench or prone shooting (off of bags, bipod, etc), you might find that these steadier position(s) makes it easier for you to get yourself into the right frame of mind to learn how to release the shot subconsciously.
 
Once you've done the SET UP for a shot, and you're in the final stages of the trigger pull, you want the shot to FIRE. Perhaps a good way to start training to turn things over to your subconscious, is at this point to increase the trigger pressure at a measured, deliberate rate, with the intention of the trigger breaking in about 2-3 seconds. I.e. don't "snap" or "jerk" it, but basically proceed with "making it break, flawlessly, without any disturbance to the rifle". You're going to make the rifle fire, but you're trying to accomplish this in a certain WINDOW of time, not at an exact POINT in time.

I think I got you... I'll try this next weekend. I sort of had a similar idea, but I think yours is somewhat better.

Well, that will give you a wobbly enough position, to really reward you for getting things right, or penalize you for getting things wrong. You might find that it takes an incredible amount of self discipline to cause yourself to accept that you want to fire the rifle DURING AN INTERVAL OF YOUR CHOOSING, and that you are not going to try to fire the rifle AT A POINT OF YOUR CHOOSING.

Well this guy didn't seem to have a problem with that position (or a variation thereof):
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As far as how my shots were in that position, @200yds:
1st: 5/8" high, 1 3/8" left
2nd: 3/8" high, 2 1/8" left
At this point, I see my trigger pull is driving my shots left, so I holdover an inch to the right...
3rd: 1/4" high, 1/8" left (almost a bullseye!)
4th: 5/8" high, 1 1/8" right
5th: 1" low, 1 1/8" right

Too lazy to photograph, upload & post at this hour :p. If you want, I can post tomorrow...

The bottom line was that shooting off a bench got plain boring, and stupid laws in Québec prevent the construction of non-military ranges that let you shoot prone because there's a "no-horizon" rule.:rolleyes:
 
Gord I was out last weekend at 300 to help with the intro day, i'm gonna be out for the 5 &600 this weekend to make notes and test the load for the BR. Ric has a class going on but we,re welcome to shoot along side.
Hope to see you and Terry there.

m
 
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