Tenifer, Glock, and “Toughness” - One season’s guiding & bushpiloting on a G40

Craig0ry said:
Sounds like you've convinced yourself on a revolver, Doing some research on Seal Team 6 and S&W proved very interesting, Seems initially it was a model 66 and possibly later a 686.

As for yourself you should look into the Model 69 Combat Magnum, Its an L frame 44 magnum 5 shot, 4.25" Much lighter and slimmer than its N framed brother. Its bead Blasted stainless, exposed parts susceptible to rust I would be concerned about would be trigger hammer and front and rear sight and cylinder release might be beneficial in your case to have these parts cerakoted.

If you do go the .44 Mag route, American Eagle 240gr JSP seems to pack the most punch of any standard factory round I've experimented with.
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Mentioned earlier in the thread a couple times I’ve already had a Model 69 combat mag .44, it was a bear of a handgun in operation, and very difficult to get through a qualification shoot with (6 rounds / hits in 5 seconds for most stages, not pleasant in a pocket sized .44 Mag, AND you’d have to reload mid shoot somehow for the 6th as it’s a 5 shot cylinder). Already have the alternative in mind, just sharing the Glock for general info. I did order maritime spring cups today for it, and will replace all its springs and any reasonably priced internals. Would like to move to a heavier recoil spring too.

Ebola said:
.357sig is not a allowable calibre for wilderness carry to the best of my knowledge.
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Too weak indeed. A 200gr bullet moving fast is the cutoff.
 
Ardent I have been out of the loop n Wilderness Carry for a couple of years. Would the CFO go along with the 45-08 cartridge Gunner developed over in Pr.l George. Out of my stock Norinco it runs a 200 gr LSWC over 1300 FPS with ease. Simple conversion using 23# recoil spring. That was what I was carrying when I had the permit. In your case you would need to acquire a stainless gun. Lots of choices.

When I first went that route Gunanr told me guides were using it over his way. Recoil is similar to a .357mag out of a 4.2" GP-100.

Take Care

Bob
 
Yea it’s factory ammo and chamberings only and nothing off the beaten path these days, only approved auto I’m aware of is 200gr 10mm, the ammo is inspected at the shoot to check it’s factory. The discontinued Buffalo Bore 200gr FMJ FP load ran 1300fps out of a G40 as well, just about 700ft-lbs- respectable. :)
 
I guess you could also look for a Smith 1006/1046/1076 - from the old "3rd Generation" series guns. Kind of like an RCMP gun on steroids, the big selling point in the early '90's was that they were entirely made of stainless steel. They're large and heavy, but very accurate and easily up to a full time diet of real 10mm.
 
Ardent said:
Yea it’s factory ammo and chamberings only and nothing off the beaten path these days, only approved auto I’m aware of is 200gr 10mm, the ammo is inspected at the shoot to check it’s factory. The discontinued Buffalo Bore 200gr FMJ FP load ran 1300fps out of a G40 as well, just about 700ft-lbs- respectable. :)
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I'm still curious if the PMC load you qualified with the same one that you use for work? Are they an animal self defense load or typical factory 10mm?

The wilderness ATC rules make as much sense as the rest of our gun laws it would seem...... can't protect the gun from the elements, must carry open on a belt. No allowances for extreme environments or common sense.
 
What the Liberal brain trust fails to understand from the US model. Many States have just recently authorized Open Carry. These same States have had Concealed Carry for a number of years. Texas comes to mind where it has only been in the last couple of years that it was legal to Open Carry in the State.

I suspect they feel carrying a pistol under a coat is somehow a bad thing. I also suspect none of the same Liberals have lived or worked in a rain forest aka the West Coast like Ardent does.

Take Care

Bob
 
was just slogging through the posts.
couple things id like to add if i can.
my dad has a 460S&W Mag and if i truly had to wager my life on a pistol THAT would be the one.
that said that bastard is big and heavy!
and im not gonna lie, its a painfull gun to shoot!
first time i shot it i got a insta headache from firing one round, the concussive blast gave me a headache!!!
its been a couple years now and ive worked my way up using 45LC and 454 in it and now i can rattle off full load 460's and its not bad at all.
but it took a long time to get use to it.

2nd thing, shame they dont let you use non production stuff, i was gonna say besides Gunner's 45-08 you could have looked at a 460Rowland in a 1911.
i have that and its a really nice round.
44mag power in a semi auto.

but both of those above are big heavy all metal guns.

i truly think its not going to matter what pistol you carry, i think your gonna have to resign yourself to the simple fact that you are going to have to replace the inner workings on a yearly basis and keep your gun covered in a protective layer of oil of choice constantly.

hell, i have a AR7 (Henry survival rifle) and i had submerged it in water (not salt) and when i went to clean it a week later the springs where all dead, totally rusted right out.
which says to me that any moisture and little springs are gonna die.
 
rkm456 said:
But .357 magnum is acceptable? Weird.
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Makes perfect sense, a .357 SIG equals a .357 Mag only in advertising material.

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enefgee said:
I guess you could also look for a Smith 1006/1046/1076 - from the old "3rd Generation" series guns. Kind of like an RCMP gun on steroids, the big selling point in the early '90's was that they were entirely made of stainless steel. They're large and heavy, but very accurate and easily up to a full time diet of real 10mm.
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Good point, I remember reading that statement on the FBI guns now that you bring it up, “made entirely from stainless”. Could be the one time I’d look at a S&W auto.
 
rkm456 said:
I believe their SIG 147's are about the same amount of energy.
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Hornady’s .357 SIG 147s run 1225fps for 490ft-lbs, Underwood’s nuclear load runs 1275fps with a 147gr. That’s only 100fps ahead of their 9mm Luger 147 load, a .357 Magnum throws a heavier 158gr a full 200fps faster at 1,475fps, or the 200gr at 1,300fps. All a moot point and dead issue as you need 200gr for carry anyhow. The two rounds aren’t comparable, .357 SIG is neat but it’s its own gun, not a .357 mag alternative. And .357 Mag is already marginal, the SIG has no business in grizzly country.
 
Ardent said:
Hornady’s .357 SIG 147s run 1225fps for 490ft-lbs, Underwood’s nuclear load runs 1275fps with a 147gr. That’s only 100fps ahead of their 9mm Luger 147 load, a .357 Magnum throws a heavier 158gr a full 200fps faster at 1,475fps, or the 200gr at 1,300fps. All a moot point and dead issue as you need 200gr for carry anyhow. The two rounds aren’t comparable, .357 SIG is neat but it’s its own gun, not a .357 mag alternative. And .357 Mag is already marginal, the SIG has no business in grizzly country.
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My mistake, I was under the impression that the Girzzly rounds ran faster. Personally, I don't really think either has any business in grizzly country. I have it on good authority the .357 Mag is pretty marginal.
 
Who’s authority? :) All pistol rounds are marginal, even .45-70 is in my eyes. However .357 Mag at 200gr beats a sheath knife, and will penetrate a Grizz stem to stern. With any non-expanding bullet you’re not going to see a functional difference in lethality, whether it’s .475 of .357. If you’re loading soft points speed and energy are more important, if not, penetration relies on sectional density and bullet weight. The one thing they all have in common is none work a hoot without shot placement.
 
Ardent said:
Who’s authority? :) All pistol rounds are marginal, even .45-70 is in my eyes. However .357 Mag at 200gr beats a sheath knife, and will penetrate a Grizz stem to stern. With any non-expanding bullet you’re not going to see a functional difference in lethality, whether it’s .475 of .357. If you’re loading soft points speed and energy are more important, if not, penetration relies on sectional density and bullet weight. The one thing they all have in common is none work a hoot without shot placement.
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You can say that again and be right twice. I gotta believe unless you turn the lights out at short range you are going to be in a world of hurt even if the bear eventually dies. So far I have only run into one Brown that ran us off the local golf course and several Blacks who decided to wonder off rather than seek a meal. I was armed on only one occasion with a strong desire to live and let live. Keeps the heart beating though for certain. My GP-100 with 200 gr RN are all I have. The bullet has a habit of turning over when it hits soft tissue. I can shoot it accurately and reasonably fast which is better than something I could not handle. We see way more Blacks around here and the .357 will do for them. Bells and or a load radio helps too. The handgun only backs up my Mossberg 12g but it isn't always at hand.

Take Care

Bob
 
Ardent said:
Makes perfect sense, a .357 SIG equals a .357 Mag only in advertising material.

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Wow impressive. I would definitely feel ok with those in a Coonan for wilderness carry. (and 357 sig = 40S&W)

For 10mm, if you don't like cocked and locked, the Sig P220 is pretty bomb proof. The EAA/Tanfoglios in 10mm have a cult following in the US, and many models are hard chromed.

I'd be inclined towards a 4.2 629, but they are still a handful with standard power 44 mags.
 
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