Tenifer, Glock, and “Toughness” - One season’s guiding & bushpiloting on a G40

Ardent said:
Thank goodness we aren’t in Israel, or have their issues though eh.
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We are lucky for sure!

I did see a pretty cool video recently of some rabi's busking and playing pink floyd in Jerusalem...... looked like a beautiful summer night, nice clean looking modern city.... kind of made me want to check it out one day.


Even Alaska just a little further up the coast is a world of difference when it comes to sidearms.
 
Probably closer to Yukon's reality I suspect. Who knows what goes on in the land of the mid night sun.

I did just read about the fatal Grizzly attack on the the mother and child up there. Article in the Guardian. Tragic to be sure.

Take Care

Bob
 
Can-down said:
We are lucky for sure!

I did see a pretty cool video recently of some rabi's busking and playing pink floyd in Jerusalem...... looked like a beautiful summer night, nice clean looking modern city.... kind of made me want to check it out one day.


Even Alaska just a little further up the coast is a world of difference when it comes to sidearms.
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Bit of a tangent, but most of my American clients carry at home, for non-wildlife. I’d hazard a comfortable guess more than half of them would move to BC if business, family, and immigration laws made it simple. Just had a guy from Texas, a paramedic at home, who sees stuff and bull#### we can’t imagine up here on a near daily basis. He says he’d trade that “freedom” for what we’ve got in a heartbeat. I think we’re the luckiest people on earth here, even if laws change.
 
I'm sure lot's of people experiencing the beauty of your work environment would want to relocate..... it's a bit of a fantasy that many people on vacation share.

We are lucky, but we should also push back and hold firm against those that would attempt to limit common sense and independence.
 
Can-down said:
We are lucky, but we should also push back and hold firm against those that would attempt to limit common sense and independence.
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Agreed entirely.

For background their sentiments are almost wholly based around the cities and travel in Canada getting here, customs, etc. Most of these guys have seen a lot of impressive wilderness from the Himalayas, to open Africa etc.
 
Ardent said:
Agreed entirely.

For background their sentiments are almost wholly based around the cities and travel in Canada getting here, customs, etc. Most of these guys have seen a lot of impressive wilderness from the Himalayas, to open Africa etc.
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A little off topic, but if I may ask a guiding question. Do you mandate a minimum caliber for browns?
 
Yep, they closed us for Grizzly hunting, this was our first season without the hunt. But to answer the question no, I simply want clients shooting the rifle they’re most comfortable with. Have seen them killed with 7mm Mauser up to .375 Mag, the effectiveness was greatest at .300 Ultra and .375 Mag however all the Grizzlies died cleanly. The most outsized performance relative to rifle weight and recoil I’ve seen is 7mm Rem Mag. If asked to recommend a Grizzly hunting rifle it would be 7mm, .300, .338, or .375 Mag. All are equally effective at killing Grizzlies, however the bigger guns will have an edge in stopping them. That can be worth the weight and recoil, I carry a .375 H&H, but stopping not hunting is my main concern. A .300 or .338 Win Mag would be hard to argue against as ideal.
 
great thread thank you everyone for your input, here's mine.
have you tried using graphite on the internals and pulling a finger cot/condom over the business end. also a long slide(6") stainless 1911 in 10mm might hold up better. I live on the water edge and my model 70 extreme weather does well but,no atc for me. Also what about a Taurus judge in .454?
 
Ardent said:
Yep, they closed us for Grizzly hunting, this was our first season without the hunt. But to answer the question no, I simply want clients shooting the rifle they’re most comfortable with. Have seen them killed with 7mm Mauser up to .375 Mag, the effectiveness was greatest at .300 Ultra and .375 Mag however all the Grizzlies died cleanly. The most outsized performance relative to rifle weight and recoil I’ve seen is 7mm Rem Mag. If asked to recommend a Grizzly hunting rifle it would be 7mm, .300, .338, or .375 Mag. All are equally effective at killing Grizzlies, however the bigger guns will have an edge in stopping them. That can be worth the weight and recoil, I carry a .375 H&H, but stopping not hunting is my main concern. A .300 or .338 Win Mag would be hard to argue against as ideal.
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Thanks for that. Exactly the type of detailed answer I was looking for.
 
Well it took two years but I finally scratched my itch and bought a 10MM GP-100. only had it for three months and have spent more time trying to get .40 cal to work reliably for practice sessions and for ESR Division in IDPA. The journey continues on that front.

Have tested a couple of folks for their Wilderness Permits. A few comments. .357mag is the minimum caliber, there is no restrictions as to bullet weight, Vel or whether it is factory or handloads. The CFO does request it be shot with the ammo you intend to use. The gun can be either revolver or pistol. Shooting is done at 5 yards, 10 yards and 15 yards into a target with a 9" radius or 18" in diameter. Each string is timed. There is no ATC course in BC. You have to demonstrate proper handgun technique while shooting the courses of fire to the satisfaction of the examiner.

I shoot 10MM 200 gr plated bullets in the revolver along with 180 gr LSWC in 40cal cases. I also have a stainless GP-100 in ,357mag and use 200 gr lead SWC bullets in it. I really don't think there is much daylight between either caliber using similar weighted bullets. If anything the 10MM is somewhat less snappy than the .357mag. That statement is very subjective. The 10MM MC GP-100 comes with wooden grips. The 357 mag wears Lett rubber/wooden insert grips. I intend to put the rubber factory grips that comes with the .357mag on the 10MM. With heavy loads the wooden grips tend to be a bit hurtful. They also tend to cause my hand to fit marginally lower on the gun than I prefer. I have not had time yet to fully test the 10MM out and likely won't for another month.

Ardent if you see this post and find yourself wandering in the vicinity drop by. We can head to the range and play with both revolvers.


Take Care

Bob
I have to add the MC GP-100 in 10MM has a very nice trigger. I shoot it almost exclusively in DA and find the trigger to be very smooth. The gun comes with trigger and hammer shims from the factory. I have added the the shims to my regular GP-100. The shims do make a difference.
 
meh the rust on the Glock looks like no big deal. I'm laughing at the S&W M&P comments, literally the only gun I own that has a rusted slide is the M&P, yes it's a stainless slide, supposedly, and yet it rusted, in the same big case as my Desert Eagle, which is just straight up carbon steel, and it didn't rust the M&P did, after exposure to just regular old BC rain years back. there were 6 handguns in the case of various designs, including two old S&W revolvers, none of them rusted either, despite being right beside the M&P in the case. So yeah, they rust and are pieces of crap.
 
Skavex if there was rust on your M&P it could not have been much, More likely old grease than rust. I had one of the first M&P's and it still resides in a friends holster with no rust and it spent more than it's share of time exposed to the elements up here. Bought that gun in 2007 about the first year they appeared.

The pics you are missing from this thread are the ones that showed the Glock rust as being a very big deal. Glocks rust badly in this climate under the conditions the OP operated in. Carbon steel tends to do that. Posts your pics if you still got the M&P. Stainless will rust but no nearly to the extent carbon steel does. If you put your gun away wet while the other guns in your safe were dry your conclusions are rather weak.

Not sure what Ardent decided to carry. He likes the 10MM so he might just have resigned to the fact his pistol was a disposable piece of equipment and left it at that. With the end of the Grizzly hunts here in BC he may have moved off the Coastal forests. My stainless GP-100 and 686 have been through more than one two day soaking with minimal service with no surface rust.

Take Care
Bob
 
When I put guns on the shelf for stage, i wipe them down with Krown rust proofing oil.

My theory is that if it will rust proof a car in the winter, it will rust proof a rifle. So far - not rust.

But your needs are something that does not rinse off easily (I think Krown might work) and something cheap and easy.

When I get my car treated, i take a bottle and ask them to fill it. That makes it cheap. They also sell it in a spray can.
 
Ganderite said:
When I put guns on the shelf for stage, i wipe them down with Krown rust proofing oil.

My theory is that if it will rust proof a car in the winter, it will rust proof a rifle. So far - not rust.

But your needs are something that does not rinse off easily (I think Krown might work) and something cheap and easy.

When I get my car treated, i take a bottle and ask them to fill it. That makes it cheap. They also sell it in a spray can.
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How does it dry? I am thinking of finish eg dull, clear etc. Sounds like a decent alternative for internals as well.

Take Care

Bob
 
Why rust inside the pistol can be an issue....

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Bob, guns were not wet when put in the pistol case, only moisture would have simply been what was in the air and that the foam had somehow absorbed (under cover). I realize my "bc rain" comment made it sound like they'd been in the rain, but no, it was simply raining. The case was then put in my safe, with the guns in it, and the safe has a dehumidifier in it, but of course the case was closed and sealed. The rust on the M&P went through the finish enough to pit the slide in numerous areas. None of the other guns had a lick of rust on them.
 
Slavex said:
Bob, guns were not wet when put in the pistol case, only moisture would have simply been what was in the air and that the foam had somehow absorbed (under cover). I realize my "bc rain" comment made it sound like they'd been in the rain, but no, it was simply raining. The case was then put in my safe, with the guns in it, and the safe has a dehumidifier in it, but of course the case was closed and sealed. The rust on the M&P went through the finish enough to pit the slide in numerous areas. None of the other guns had a lick of rust on them.
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Rob that being the case you should have sent the gun back to S&W. I say that because rust on sliudes has been one area virtually nobody has complained about with the M&P slides. They are made from stainless steel. You may have got a slide from a batch of stainless that was not alloyed properly. The slides on the Glocks are carbon steel and under the worst possible conditions for carbon steel they don't hold up. For most it is a none issue. Any Glock owner who lives 50 feet from salt water and occasionally wipes oil on his slide.

For Ardent it is an issue. If he likes the 10MM then he ought now to look at the Ruger GP-100 stainless and I suspect he will.

You and I both know the Gen 5 Glock is virtually a new pistol, with a new slide, frame and trigger group. I assume the polymer sights are the same as those in the first four attempts. I have no idea why they continue with a carbon steel slide. It cannot be a cost issue.

If you are a S&W Marketing Manager with a head ache, promoting your stainless slide over a rusting hulk of a carbon steel slide might ease the pain a little. :>)

Take Care

Bob
ps Linda finally put your pull over in the Sally Anne box. It is being worn by a needy person locally. L>)
 
sh!t which pullover was that?? I totally forget!

I've seen a bunch of other S&W M&P pistols from the same era as mine with significant rust on them too. Likely a batch issue, but it must be a huge batch, as the guns are all over North America.
I get Ardent's issue with his Glock rusting like that, but in his environment that is going to be a way of life for guns.
 
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