Terranova armouryis a scam

The guy who does the Course/Briefing basically tells you what you need to know to pass the test. My brother did the course with him, and he sends you to a tester after a few hours of instruction. Probably the quickest way to do it, though probably not the most thorough. My brother had to retake his test(for free) when the tester was being investigated, however.

I did mine through terra nova but I went to a different tester, and never had any problems.

It's not the most thorough course, more of a 'how to pass the test' briefing for a few hours and then some handling.

Probably fine if you have prior knowledge or are a quick learner.
 
Terranova Firm Armoury IS A SCAM

On January 22, 2012 TerraNova firm was raded by the PEEL REGIONAL POLICE, with 13 people in our class.
The police took statements from each of us.
The instructor was in alleged violation of MANY laws and was scamming ALL of us.
He is NOT a registered or accredited teaching facility.
He is NOT licensed.
He does NOT have a business license or incorporated company.
He has NO insurance.
He is actually a real estate agent (google his real name and you can easily find him).
He made up the same stories (that I *know* after doing some research) about examiner having an accident and not being there.
Refused to give us our money back on the spot, despite the Police being in attendance and our requests to do so.
If someone is going to so blatantly LIE right off the top, how can anyone think that this person is a legitimate or upstanding individual that we should be taking 'training' and counsel from.

DO NOT GO HERE.
IT IS A SCAM.
YOU GET NOTHING AND LEARN NOTHING ABOUT SAFETY. You only learn about what is on the test.
FOR GREATER CLARIFICATION:
Old books from 1998 with pages missing and torn (and not enough for all of us).
Not enough room in the house for all of us to sit and learn comfortably. (yes his RESIDENCE in a RESIDENTIAL neighbourhood).
The guy speaks SO quickly you can't understand him (plus he has a strong accent).
The police stated that his 'certification' is not worth the paper it is printed on and that we were all getting scammed.
The examiner was not there (examiner is supposed to conduct test immediately following course).
He wouldn't answer questions about the process until we had been there an hour.
He refused to tell us we were not taking an exam until we had been there an hour and one of the guys explicitly asked it and demanded an answer (instructor tried to mislead and evade the question/answer).

SUPPOSED COURSE IS HELD IN A HOUSE, on a residential street, in a residential neighbourhood. If I was his neighbour, I would call the authorities to have him shut down for conducting business from his house without a license or regard for the community.

DO NOT GO TO TERRANOVA.
YOU WILL WASTE YOUR MONEY, YOUR TIME AND GIVE MONEY TO A SCAM ARTIST.

Think about how much money this guy is making: 12 people a weekend at $240/head = $2880 a WEEK in pure profit!!
I have nothing against entrepreneurs, but only when I get something for my money and time.... How can he be taking this much money then and he doesn't even have enough books (or even current ones) and has antique guns that are SO old they look like they would break if you touched them.
 
@com said:
On January 22, 2012 TerraNova firm was raded by the PEEL REGIONAL POLICE, with 13 people in our class.....
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Look like someone in uniform has been reading this thread...

It's not uncommon for legitimate instructors to teach the courses out of their homes as renting a commercial location for the courses can cost $1000 for a weekend.
 
is this the same guy on a different account still crying because he failed his pal?
11 posts, all in 2 threads about terra nova?
lol whats with these people?
join cgn for the sole purpose of repeatedly using the word scam!! lol
 
@com said:
On January 22, 2012 TerraNova firm was raded by the PEEL REGIONAL POLICE, with 13 people in our class.
The police took statements from each of us.
The instructor was in alleged violation of MANY laws and was scamming ALL of us.
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Where's the Fraaking NEWS , no ctv ,cbc wouldha'been allover the place with choppers and big news trucks , where the haall are the news , sir.

Or you are just a noobie troll - Biggs
 
Has the Better Business Bureau been notified? Not everyone knows about GGN to read about this when they are a newbie to firearms. If this is a scam, notifying the BBB in each province can protect other newbies.

Which police agency did the raid and what was the police file number given? That's all part of the public record that can be checked.

I'm just surprised that an incident arising out of Ontario that involves guns is not in the news.
 
From the other thread:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=699650

Silvercore said:
A couple of years ago, we had an upset student on one of our CFSC/CRFSC courses complaining that he was charged much more for the course than his classmates. After some research, it proved that he had registered for the course through Terranova and “Nick” had charged him for the course, took his information and called our office to register the student with “Nick” keeping the excess as payment for his “efforts”.

I also found that the Terranova website listed all of our course locations, dates and times as if they were his own. When confronted, “Nick” explained that this was the only student he had ever done this to. He agreed that it was deceptive and unethical and refunded the student the remainder. “Nick” offered to continue advertising our courses on his site as a resource to new shooters and promised not to repeat his mistake.

A few months later, due to further “problems”, we had to demand that “Nick” remove all of our content from his site and to quit representing himself as being associated with us in any way.

Based on my experience with this company, I would definitely question their business practices.
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It's not just the general public this guy pushes the boundries with. If you havn't dealt with him; don't try to defend him. If you have and are happy; good for you, but can you honestly say you got your money's worth knowing a proper course would have cost the same or less?

IMO this business is shady as all get out and gives us all a bad name. It's every anti's wet dream to find an instructor that just gives away licenses or coaches people through the test.

BTW to those that have dealt with him and are currently happy with his service. Just wait until you get the letter from the CFO.;) Best wishes on round two for the tests.
 
JimboJones said:
BTW to those that have dealt with him and are currently happy with his service. Just wait until you get the letter from the CFO.;) Best wishes on round two for the tests.
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He doesn't do the tests on site, once you take his course so essentially you can go to any examiner after and state you want to challenge the test...As long as you're 18+ you can home study and no problem, so you might want to fix that.
 
johnniblades said:
He doesn't do the tests on site, once you take his course so essentially you can go to any examiner after and state you want to challenge the test...As long as you're 18+ you can home study and no problem, so you might want to fix that.
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So let me get this straight. This guy charges MORE than the cost of just taking the regular course so you can sit there for a shorter amount of time and get coached through passing a challenged test?

And then some people think based on this, defending this guy is a good idea. WTF
 
johnniblades said:
He doesn't do the tests on site, once you take his course so essentially you can go to any examiner after and state you want to challenge the test...As long as you're 18+ you can home study and no problem, so you might want to fix that.
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I'm not fixing anything. It's not broken.;)

I know he does not do the test. If you read my posts on this subject, you will find that I went through Terranova and are sharing a personal experience here. If you still think that things happened differently in my life then what I account for, then that sounds like a personal problem that I just can't help you with.;)

What I am trying to do is give a simple "heads-up" for those that understand the situation after being presented with these facts.

1.At least one Tester for Terranova have been investigated in the past and "students" have had to retake the tests. I am one of them.

2. The proprietor of Terranova is now up on charges.

After being presented with these two facts; what do you think the chances of further scrutiny of the testers for Terranova by the CFO are? Yes, this is speculation but with odds even someone who doesn't gamble would like.

All they (CFO) have to do is start an investigation and everyone tested by that person gets screwed. That's what happened to me. The tester was being investigated ergo my license was suspended ("under review") until either I took the tests again or waited for a favorable outcome of the investigation. The CFO has that power and will use it.

This is just a suggestion to brush up on the test material and not to be supprised if you get a notice that your license is under review. They will give you a voucher that is good for a challenge of either PAL, RPAL or both tests. You will not have any time in a class unless you pay for it out of your pocket.

If you are not up on all of the types of firearms actions and the key written test material; it may not work out so well. If you are, then if they pull your license you will still be inconvenienced for at least a month or more while they #### around with finding a new tester and scrutinizing your results.
 
why on earth would you pay for a course like that, they already teach you what to know in the regular course...

hey, i have a great idea, i have a pal , a rpal, im a range officer and have owned a firearm since the age of 17... owned it since i was 12, under my dad's name to comply with the regulations, for 200 $ ill tell you all you need to know about guns, and how to pass a PAL, i will even let you read the copy of the instruction manual you can order thru the web,

will also use my google-fu skills to answer things i dont know off hand. no matter how out of this world ther are . for 300 $ , ill take you shooting too! but hey, im doing you a favor, so you pay for the bullets.

now accepting pm's for your money.

pff unbelievable... how people throw their money away.
 
As a side note - terranova has a website and youtube channel - probably an idea to start spamming at least his youtube channel with video replies to try to warn others. Naturally he has turned off written responses, but I don't think you can block video responses.

Then again, I don't have any experience or beef with the guy doing all this, so I don't condone ruining someone's business on an allegation.
 
Calum said:
I don't understand the need for paying someone to basically repeat what is written in the CFC (R)PAL course books.
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Just what do you think teachers get paid for ??? Write their own books or present already written material in a more comprehensible way for their students ??? BTW it's a rhetorical question.;)
 
Terranova is a huge SCAM!! He will tell you over the phone that he will teach you the course then you will write the exam in the afternoon. Once you get there he will tell you that the examiner is sick, or he got in a car accident. He also does not tell you that he jams 25 people into his living room at his house, not a dedicated classroom. Terranova is not a certified instructor, or examiner, avoid him at all cost!!!
 
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