That's why you choose AK

Avro125 said:
You and the guy next to you put their cleaning rods together to make one long enough. This was by design. Many other rifles do the same thing.
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Yeah I know. Most have 2-3 piece cleaning rods. But using a scenario to why you need a cleaning rod on the gun. Makes no sense when you need to make it longer to work.
 
Gnome75 said:
There was a documentary out for awhile on youtube but I was not able to find it. If you search for the YPG on youtube there is a bunch of videos. Some are within a year.

From what I recall Europeans were volunteering through facebook and just travelled there like a tourist. They are not paid if you fight for the YPG. Merc and military contractor are different. Guns and ammo was supplied upon arrival. Clothes and carriers are availability based. Probably recommended to bring your own. That's why there is no uniformity. Some governments were unhappy about people going over there. Can't remember if it was the German or English government but one of its citizens was branded a terrorist for going there and fighting ISIS. Make sense of that. The most interesting thing to me is why they would risk their life like that. Most wanted to shoot ISIS over there now instead of at home later. There were some other reasons as well.

We had some Canadians do it too. One ex military guy and some overweight gated community girl are the only ones I have seen. The girl did not stay long and was told by other people to go home and that she does not belong there.
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Those politics are so twisted u don’t understand a fraction of it . That said , in any other country those dudes are called terrorists but because the west doesn’t like Syria , their freedom fighters
 
OkayShooter said:
AK cleaning rods are shorter than the barrel. Tell me how that suppose to work? MR AK Guru? You need to waste time, putting on the patch jag to get the length you need.

16.3" barrel. Most cleaning rods are around 15 5/8"

Then if you got a AK 74, with the brake.. Even more useless..
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if you properly use the rest of the cleaning kit, the rods are really not that short. that's it
 
Trademark said:
I remember seeing a documentary about foreign volounteers in the Serbia/Bosnian war. I think it was vice tv. It was interesting... the commander of their unit was Latino, the guy they focused on was a chubby middle aged Brit, lifetime soldier. He did some ‘bad thigs’ As he put it and was on the run. There was a couple South African guys who fought their way around Africa before ending up there... thinking back now, these were probably paid guys.
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the latino did not end well back to his country ...it was during croatia serbia war (the 1st one).

h t t p s ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3343x_ywy_M
 
Good point, that is way there are so many of them, there are lots that will shot straighter, But a match rifle in the hand of a untrained who ever don't make much difference I would think
SKS45 said:
Knowing how to clear a jammed rifle is prerequisite for all rifles...history has proven you will spend less time running cleaning rods down the barrel of an AK then any other rifle...
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PECHENEG said:
if you properly use the rest of the cleaning kit, the rods are really not that short. that's it
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You mean the rest of the parts that are not attached to the rifle? There by completely invalidating your argument that the ak is better because one piece of the kit is on the rifle LOL

Shawn
 
As mentioned above : which AK, which AR? If you tell someone you're going to give them a "Canadian Made AR" they might think they're getting a Colt Can, if you then give them an NEA they might have reason to be disappointed. The big one to avoid with the AK is apparently the US made boutique AK's, a good example of failure to understand design, with massive compulsion to improve something that already works perfectly.
 
OkayShooter said:
Isn't the point you trying to make is the AK has the cleaning rod on it? But it's too short, so you now gotta dig out the cleaning kit, making your point invalid.
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well, don't you just push the cleaning rod with the cartridge in such situation? whose point is invalid now? :)
 
PECHENEG said:
well, don't you just push the cleaning rod with the cartridge in such situation? whose point is invalid now? :)
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AK cleaning rods are shorter than the barrel. Meaning you need that piece in the cleaning kit for the length, in order to push out the stuck case. Thus making your suggestion the AK is better because it has a onboard cleaning rod. Invalid.

PECHENEG said:
That's why you need a normal AK cleaning kit on board. not somewhere in the bag, but on board-on the rifle.
When multitool is useless and a simple cleaning rod is what you need.
That's why I will rely my life on AK style platform.
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PECHENEG said:
if you properly use the rest of the cleaning kit, the rods are really not that short. that's it
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I dunno, but the research on the length of AK cleaning rods. Is enough to know you aint pushing out a stuck case in a 16" barrel AK, with just the rod.
 
This happened to my buddy with an SKS. I guess the chamber had some rust or pitting.

The gun jammed up. He mortared the rifle and the exctractor broke the rim off the case. He used the cleaning rod, which is shorter than the barrel to get out the casing out. He just threw it down the barrel and it knocked it out.

This happened to my SKS last time I was shooting. Well buddy was shooting my gun when it happened. He did not know what to do.

The extractor broke the rim. And my SKS doesn’t have the bayo or cleaning rod. I tried using my knife to pry the case out. Ended up grabbing a flat head screwdriver to get it out.

So in my two examples. Yes a cleaning rod is faster. Even if it’s shorter, you can use momentum to free the stuck case. Now I’m not saying it’s 100% guaranteed. But better than no cleaning rod.

I got a .410 shotgun brush and use that on drill to clean my chamber to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
 
OkayShooter said:
Isn't the point you trying to make is the AK has the cleaning rod on it? But it's too short, so you now gotta dig out the cleaning kit, making your point invalid.
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OkayShooter said:
AK cleaning rods are shorter than the barrel. Meaning you need that piece in the cleaning kit for the length, in order to push out the stuck case. Thus making your suggestion the AK is better because it has a onboard cleaning rod. Invalid.





I dunno, but the research on the length of AK cleaning rods. Is enough to know you aint pushing out a stuck case in a 16" barrel AK, with just the rod.
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whatever, man, I'd never rely my life on garbage AR platform. you can do whatever you want
 
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how many years did you use/shoot a military platform AK47 to get your final conclusion that AR platform is garbage?
on my personal experience I can say that even SKS is a better gun compared with AK47...period!
 
Wolfstrack said:
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how many years did you use/shoot a military platform AK47 to get your final conclusion that AR platform is garbage?
on my personal experience I can say that even SKS is a better gun compared with AK47...period!
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the people i know in combat experiences prefer the sks over the ak47 (but certainly the value to sell them was more) but we do not even talk about ar15/m4 or m16 and those ones were available. there is certainly some very good ar15/m4/m16 on the market but for the average one sks despite only 10 rounds is working. now the ak47 is really interesting as it is also a very great tool and worked very well so far but we cant tallk about as a civilian version and user as of today they re safe space taker ...

i did post a feedback on sks vs ak47 with some people that used it a while ago and as of today they still own mostly sks no more ak47 and trust me they had the choice ... but i do not know all the reasons but for sure there is an hate on the ak47 in the western world as most have no clue about it. the same can be said for people that were trained in ex USSR as well ...
 
PECHENEG said:
whatever, man, I'd never rely my life on garbage AR platform. you can do whatever you want
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How much military/combat experience do you have behind the ar15 and ak47 rifles? Or do you just seach "why ak better than m16" on google to get a little tickle in your pants?
 
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