The 100th Meridian

[BIGREDD]

ah, another "don;t hate us" post from bighead, never saw that one comming.



personally I find most fo the problem comes from the east. the public sees hunters sitting over barrels of donuts waiting for yogi, in heated blinds over food plots, or by timed feaders waiting for a deer to step out. lots of technology rich "hunting". High fences, canned hunts. managed heards. this doesn't do much to support the "hunting is my way of reentering the food chain" or "I want to get back to nature" arguments made by those trying to keep the sport alive. yes we have our road hunters out here, and it is an efficient way to hunt. but at least they're out in the boonies, where it is still evry much a wilderness.

if everyone agreed with everyone else this board would be the most boring place on the internet.

another reason to stay west of the 100th:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=865067&postcount=40

Your agenda is crystal clear Phib... you hate the east and anyone who does not buy into your phoney "I am the best from the west twaddle!"
In one sentence you portray easterners as baiters and pen hunters... then you justify road hunting out west as acceptable. This is hypocrasy of the worst kind and serves only to prove what I am saying.

You are right about one thing healthy debate and a difference of opinion is fun and this place should not be boring. But your contributions are mostly negative and detrimental... certainly not intelligent debate in my opinion.

I really like the fact that I can push your buttons.... and get the desired response every time.
Thanks for coming to the party Phib... see you next time.

 

[Foxer]

All right lets settle down.

Amphib, you know as well as i do how important it is these days that hunters be a united front and that we respect each others' chosen form of the sport. There's nothing wrong with the odd jibe here and there, but being derissive of others is not productive. So lets hear a little more team spirit for all hunters, whether they be from bc OR from one of the lesser provinces.

 

[Amphibious]

^ no thanks

I refuse to suport something I don't agree with, sorry if it ruffles some feathers, but it's a free country

threads like these are started to elicit these kind of resposes. Bighead is by far the biggest troll on this board. I should hardly think anyone is surprised by them anymore.

 

[Foxer]

I refuse to suport something I don't agree with, sorry if it ruffles some feathers

There is a fine line between holding a personal opinion and/or preference and actively trying to inflict your opinion on others. I don't agree with grizzly hunting personall. Seriously - i don't like it. However, it would never occur to me to suggest YOU were a bad person or hunter if you chose to go grizzlie hunting. If you ASK me what I THINK about it - i'll give you my two bits worth and explain why I personally feel that way, but i won't think an inch less of anyone who has a different take.

You, on the other hand, seem to miss very few opportunities to openly attack others for their choices. That's not really in keeping with the ethics and sportsmanship that has been the hallmark of hunters in BC for generations now. If anything, we've always promoted a 'you make your choices and i'll make mine, as long as we're both within the law' attitude.

Opinons are a little like friendship - It should take a long time to form a good one and it should never be given lightly Offer your opinions where appropriate, but don't use them to attack others.

but it's a free country

CLEARLY you haven't been paying attention at tax time

And if you wish people to respect your personal freedoms - then you must grant others respect for the choices they are free to make as well. Remember - it is a CORE belief of the liberals that "if i don't like something, i should be allowed to attack it and pass a law based on that feeling". That's how gun control came about.

We have soldiers out there fighting and dying even as we speak to help ensure that we will have the right to make choices in this country - don't run others down for exercising that right just because they chose differently than you might. It cheapens our freedom when we do that.

 

[fogducker]

All right lets settle down.

Amphib, you know as well as i do how important it is these days that hunters be a united front and that we respect each others' chosen form of the sport. There's nothing wrong with the odd jibe here and there, but being derissive of others is not productive. So lets hear a little more team spirit for all hunters, whether they be from bc OR from one of the lesser provinces.

lol to the lesser provinces..:beerchug: cheers foxer for the giggle

 

[Fall Guy]

If anything, we've always promoted a 'you make your choices and i'll make mine, as long as we're both within the law' attitude.

Well said Foxer. That is along the same line that I use - 'If my activity falls within the boundaries of the law, what is the problem?'

Ethics and morals, however, are completely subjective and open to discussion.

 

[Foxer]

lol to the lesser provinces.. cheers foxer for the giggle

I was wondering if anyone noticed that couldn't help it!

Ethics and morals, however, are completely subjective and open to discussion.

Yes, without a doubt. And we shouldn't use 'the law' as the final source of what is or isn't ethical, some things may be legal but not ethical.

Here's a good test someone taught me ages ago - If you're wondering if something is ethical or moral, ask yourself:

1) is it legal.

2) if my 'hero', or the person i respected the most knew all the details with no spin, what would they think of me.

3) Would i be comfortable with my family, friends, and the general public knowing all the details (with no spin)?

Generally, answering those questions will tell you if something is ethical within your community.

 

[BIGREDD]

^ no thanks

I refuse to suport something I don't agree with, sorry if it ruffles some feathers, but it's a free country

threads like these are started to elicit these kind of resposes. Bighead is by far the biggest troll on this board. I should hardly think anyone is surprised by them anymore.

Name Calling again... Whos the Troll?
Hatred is usually caused by jealousy... are you so miserable that you need to try and victimize someone. You make me laugh, internet flames and obtuse name calling is your idea of debate, pretty sad.
If you don't like my threads ignore them... I have never instigated a personal attack against you Phib... but you do it as a matter of course.
I suppose I could ignore you... but I find your feeble attempts at mockery and derision entertaining.
Keep it coming...

 

[SignGuy]

wow this thread went down hill quickly LOL

 

[Amphibious]

wow this thread went down hill quickly LOL

Edited by mods - Enough with the personal attacks already amphib! (hope you get a bear!)

EDITED AGAIN BY AMPHIB: yes, edit my Attacks? but not those against me? nice double standard!

I'm off to play in the mountains and chase some bears, we'll see where this thread is in 3 days.

 

[troutseeker]

This thread is the greatest! I decided to interject in my native language to lighten up the subject matter and give you guys another group to pick on...

So here goes: Bonjour mes amis! Comment ca va en Ontario et Colombie Brittanique? Moi je demeure presentement en Colombie Brittanique mais mon epouse est native de l'Ontario. J'aime beaucoup aller a la peche et a la chasse. J'adore les arguments des membres fleuris de notre communautee des fous de l'arme a feu. Alors s'il vous plait, faites moi plaisir et continuez a nous faire chier!

Merci mes cheris, troutseeker

 

[crazy_davey]

This thread is the greatest! I decided to interject in my native language to lighten up the subject matter and give you guys another group to pick on...

So here goes: Bonjour mes amis! Comment ca va en Ontario et Colombie Brittanique? Moi je demeure presentement en Colombie Brittanique mais mon epouse est native de l'Ontario. J'aime beaucoup aller a la peche et a la chasse. J'adore les arguments des membres fleuris de notre communautee des fous de l'arme a feu. Alors s'il vous plait, faites moi plaisir et continuez a nous faire chier!

Merci mes cheris, troutseeker

WTF did you say

 

[BIGREDD]

wow this thread went down hill quickly LOL

Actually it took quite a while... It certainly didn't start out this way.
Have you read this thread from the begining SignGuy?... I just did again and I can't figure out where it went south.
Near as I can tell it went from serious to funny then to a #### storm .

I could point fingers I suppose but then again, I am just as guilty as anyone... my bad....

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Have you ever wondered what divides us as hunters. This imaginary line called the 100th meridian that bisects North-America is not just a line on a map.
There are a lot of differences between east and west as far as hunting goes, and I'm not just talking about the types of game.
Our styles of hunting, our choice of firearms, our attitude towards the sport and our opinions in general are sometimes completely different.
I wonder if we are growning apart or coming together in recent history... the birth of the gun registry has definitely galvanized us as Canadian Gun Owners, this board is proof of that!
But are we more tolerant of those we consider different from us or less accepting of those on our right or left hand?
The east west thing comes up in these pages quite often and I am surprised each and every time. I don't know why or who is to blame and really that is not the issue. The issue should be that we should remain solidly behind each other as hunters and shooters, regardless of a difference of opinion.
I believe we should save our fight for the antis and the politico's who threaten us at every turn.

So when are you gonna fess up to the fact that you (and others) are an easterner, and thus love lever guns? :beerchug:

 

[BIGREDD]

You know it J/C... I am putting a BLR in .308 through it's paces today.
Interesting how the levers are a regional phenomenum in many ways. Geography and tradition play a part in this I'm sure.

 

[Foxer]

Interesting how the levers are a regional phenomenum in many ways. Geography and tradition play a part in this I'm sure.

If 'geography and tradition' is a euphamism for inbreeding, that'd make sense...

(actually i kind of like blrs )

 

[joe-nwt]

All you citified southerners know squat about hunting. Us northern hunters think the squabbling is kind of amusing, kind of like watching kids argue who's skateboard is better.

But you guys show great potential.

 

[Lazy Ike]

I think anybody who shoots any animal with any gun under any circumsance is just great!

 

[John Y Cannuck]

You know it J/C... I am putting a BLR in .308 through it's paces today.
Interesting how the levers are a regional phenomenum in many ways. Geography and tradition play a part in this I'm sure.

The west, was, (and to non gunnuts is) synonomous with the lever gun, but, it's no longer true.
The short range fast action bush conditions of the east are much more suited to the lever guns capabilities, than the long ranges of the west.
Optics, not bolts, killed the lever gun in the west IMO.
That said, there isn't a bolt gun made that can match the scabbard characteristics of a good flat sided lever gun.

 

[Foxer]

Optics, not bolts, killed the lever gun in the west IMO.

Perhaps, but cartridge also played a role. In close quarters, it really doesn't matter if you shoot a deer with a 30-30 or a 30-06. But even with iron sights at 200 yards it's nicer to have a little flatter shooting gun. Even the 303 is a step up. And with moose being one of the most popular hunts in some western provinces, a little extra hitting power at 150 - 200 is very desirable.

You still see 'em out here, but the bolt has been king for a long, long time.