The 1911 World

You must be reading stuff written by folks who have never shot a 1911, or practiced enough to shoot it well....

There supposedly was a time when certain manufacturers were making stuff that supposedly needed work out of the box, but I personally have never had one of those.

The 1911's I have shot were flawless, save for the frustration that comes from using cheap (read: out-of-spec) mags with SWC ammunition. Fed Rn, not a hiccup.... In my experience, good mags have no issues with SWC loads.
 
Like you, I'm in the same boat lately. Wanted a beretta but always liked the look and feel and look of the 1911. Have thought about a Dropping a G note on something nice but since it would be my first HG, not sure I want to commit that when there are so many options out there that offer both quality and value for $ spent. I would rather drop a few hundred bucks to find out I'm not a fan after the shine wears off then a grand or more. Especially when a Norc can answer that question for me for $350 or less. I didn't personally go with the Norc but DID decide on the SAM Thunderbolt from a Site sponsor:) for under $600!

Just my $.02 worth! Good luck.

Check the Girsan 92f clones....start at $450....good guns.
 
Who would ever modify a 1911.......




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I'm amazed that beast runs. I'm also a touch envious. you must be everyone's friend at the range ;)
 
back when the only show in town was colt, this was true. The ejection port was smaller, the feed ramp was set up for ball only, and what they made was what you took....and if you wanted reliable it went to a smith...this is very well documented.

When IPSC took off, there was a big enough market created that folk with the money to set up companies saw a chance to build guns and make cash doing it (sounds good to me!) So Springfield armories and Kimber, to name a few started up, and they very quickly figured that if they started making guns that ALREADY incorporated what most folks had to pay a smith to do, they'd just buy their guns instead. All of a sudden 1911's started coming off the rack with good sights, lowered and flared ejection ports, beveled mag wells, and extractors and ejectors that worked...

We live in the golden age of the 1911...never before has there been so much quality for such low total investment! It's actually hard to find a 1911 that doesn't work.
 
back when the only show in town was colt, this was true. The ejection port was smaller, the feed ramp was set up for ball only, and what they made was what you took....and if you wanted reliable it went to a smith...this is very well documented.

When IPSC took off, there was a big enough market created that folk with the money to set up companies saw a chance to build guns and make cash doing it (sounds good to me!) So Springfield armories and Kimber, to name a few started up, and they very quickly figured that if they started making guns that ALREADY incorporated what most folks had to pay a smith to do, they'd just buy their guns instead. All of a sudden 1911's started coming off the rack with good sights, lowered and flared ejection ports, beveled mag wells, and extractors and ejectors that worked...

We live in the golden age of the 1911...never before has there been so much quality for such low total investment! It's actually hard to find a 1911 that doesn't work.

That is what I was referring to. Here is another fella's thought process.

"Now, I shoot a Glock,” Vickers tells me. “Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass. If they don’t like messing around with the pistol and spending a grand to really get it tuned, then they should forget it.”
http://gearscout.militarytimes.com/2011/06/08/read-this-before-you-buy-your-first-1911/

If those deficiencies have been addressed in the "modern" 1911's, then all is well.

HA
 
I currently have a $300 Chinese 1911, I don't even shoot full house loads and it's worked flawlessly since I've bought it. I've done #### all to it, it's just as it was when it came off the slow boat. I've owned a few other makes of 1911 from cheap to high end and NEVER had an issue unless my reloads weren't in spec (I was learning). Sometimes all it takes to make something work well, is to use it as intended.
 
Sometimes all it takes to make something work well, is to use it as intended.

Excellent point!

The 1911 was designed for close combat with a 230 gr FMJ load going ~ 850 fps. Reliability & accuracy on par with minute of man close in. If a 1911 does that out of the box then it's doing what it's primary design called for.

Every real deal USGI 1911 / 1911A1 or Colt Government model that I have ever owned [and I've had alot of different ones over the years] has been able to do just that. Some would also feed 200 gr LSWC bullets flawlessly with no modifications. Some were also amazing in the accuracy dept with no modifications. But they all were able to run 100% just as they were designed for using ammo they were designed for.

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I thank you all for your replies. You have alleviated my phobia of the 1911. I was concerned that you had to do this and that to make them perform properly. I now see that this isn't the case. I see one in my near future.

HA
 
The Gospel According to John Moses Browning

1. In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was the pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck about with my disciple John's design, for it is good and it worketh. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain.

2. "And shouldst thou muck about with it and hang all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou shalt surely have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely come to harm."

3. And as the ages passed men in their ignorance and arrogance didst forget the word of the Lord and began to profane the 1911. The tribe of the gamesman did place recoil spring guides and extended slide releases upon the 1911 and their metalsmiths didst tighten the tolerances and alter parts to their liking, their clearness of mind being clouded by lust.

4. Their artisans did hang all manner of foul implements upon the 1911 and did so alter it that it became impractical to purchase. For lo, the artisans didst charge a great tax upon the purchasers of the 1911 so that the lowly field-worker could not afford one. And the profaning of the internal parts didst render it unworkable when the dust of the land fell upon it.

5. And lo, they didst install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord. For they doth break and loose their zero when thou dost need true aim. And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their enemies in the great battle.

6. And it came to pass that the Lord didst see the abomination wrought by man and didst cause, as he had warned, fearful malfunction to come upon the abominations and upon the artisans who thought they could do no wrong.

7. Seeing the malfunctions and the confusion of men the lord of the underworld did see an opportunity to further ensnare man and didst bring forth pistols made of plastic, whose form was such that they looked and felt like a brick, yet the eyes of man being clouded, they were consumed by the plastic pistol and did buy vast quantities of them.

8. And being a deceitful spirit the lord of the underworld did make these plastic pistols unamenable to the artisans of earth and they were unable to muck much with the design, and lo these pistols did function.

9. And the evil one also brought forth pistols in which the trigger didst both #### and fire them and which require a "dingus" to make them appear safe.

10. But man, being stupid, did not understand these new pistols and did proceed to shoot them-selves with the plastic pistol, and with the trigger cocking pistols for lo their manual of arms required great intelligence which man had long since forsaken. Yet man continue to gloat over these new pistols blaming evil forces for the negligent discharges which they themselves had committed.

11. And when man had been totally ensnared with plastic pistol, the lord of the underworld didst cause a plague of the terrible Ka-BOOM to descend upon man and the plastic pistols delivered their retribution upon men. And there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth in the land.

12. Then seeing that the eyes of man were slowly being opened and that man was truly sorrowful for his sinful misdeeds, the Lord did send his messengers in the form of artisans who did hear and obey the teachings of the prophet and who didst restore the profaned 1911s to their proper configuration, and lo, to the amazement of men they didst begin to work as the Prophet had intended.

13. And the men of the land didst drive out the charlatans and profaners from the land, and there was joy and peace in the land, except for the evil spirits which tried occasionally to prey on the men and women of the land, and who were sent to the place of eternal damnation by the followers of John.

Amen
 
There are only two guns I would carry a COLT 1911 or a COLT SAA all depends what you want to kill but both get the job done .

IMAT
 
I have owned and shot a 1917 WW1 issue 455 rebarrelled to 45acp, a nickel Mk4 series 70 (just beautiful !), two series 70 Gold Cups, Springfield mil spec, Bul, Para, and four STI's. In 45, 40S&W and 9mm.

The only RN ammo I ever used was the first box I bought with the WW1 gun in 1975. Exclusively have used TC SWC reloads since then with so few malfunctions I can remember them individually. Maybe I have been lucky.

I also read an article from a training site in the US (or did I watch it on YouTube ?) where the 'instructor' rubbished the 1911 suggesting that they needed extensive work to function correctly. Well, none of mine did. The three series 70 45's that I had were stellar, the Springfield wanted factory dimension reloads (tight spec chamber), the STI's were very accurate. The 9mm Spartan I have currently is super sweet, shoots softly like a 22.

Fantastic guns.

YMMV of course, but I doubt it.

TJ
 
every time I've seen a 1911 that was unreliable, or dangerous it was because some idiot that didn't know how a 1911 works modified it.

1911 parts are not "drop in" parts like a Glock.....they need to be fitted. when you go replacing or modifying 1911 parts without knowing how the gun works things can go real bad.

1911's, AR's, and 10/22's .......people can't just leave them alone. most mods are cosmetic and do nothing to improve the gun

resist the urge to pimp your gun. especially if you don't plan on keeping it forever because not everyone's gonna want the mods you think are cool. you're not gonna get your money back for all the mods you did on it, especially if they're irreversible.

a completely factory original unmolested older Colt 1911 is a rare thing and worth more than a butchered 1911 any day.

only one company makes a Glock.....Glock. almost every company out there has their version of the 1911.....they're not all equal. a lot have "improvements" from the original design that may or may not work. some have extractors that aren't tuned and have little or no tension. most come from the factory with bad magazines to begin with.

there's a ton of companies that make 1911 magazines. a bad magazine will ruin your day and many people will blame the gun

most of the 1911 bashers belong to the Glock fan club and have never shot a 1911 or if they did it was their buddy's 1911 that they butchered on the kitchen table with a dremel tool.

I'm not a Glock hater. I like both 1911's and Glocks. they both serve a purpose
 
You have a little more maintenance than say a Glock but mine have all been great. Change springs every 5k and keep it cleaned and well lubricated.
 
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