The 223 with lightweights and small scopes

[iron cat]

It’s an 8 twist cat.

Pretty quick for those little 40's, seem to work okay at that distance though. How was the wind?
Cat

 

[pathfinder76]

I don’t proclaim to be theorist but I have never found the accuracy of a 40 gr bullet to be as good in a fast twist barrel compared to a slower twist. I’ve tried on a handful of 223’s with fast twists. It just isn’t.

I’ve not found this to be the case.

Five shots. 1/2”. 6x scope.

 

[pathfinder76]

Pretty quick for those little 40's, seem to work okay at that distance though. How was the wind?
Cat

Not much for wind that day. But for where I shoot wind is a relative description. Those mountains are Waterton. Lol

 

[Buckmastr]

I’ve not found this to be the case.

Five shots. 1/2”. 6x scope.

Laughing!
Well there you have it.
Fast twist barrels are more accurate regardless of bullet weight. Baloney.

 

[pathfinder76]

I didn’t say that. The notion a fast twist barrel can’t shoot 40 grain bullets accurately is baloney. And it is.

 

[iron cat]

Not much for wind that day. But for where I shoot wind is a relative description. Those mountains are Waterton. Lol

Crap i have been there, if the wind ever quit blowing all your critters would fall over!!LOL
Cat

 

[Joel]

Crap i have been there, if the wind ever quit blowing all your critters would fall over!!LOL
Cat

LOL

Cat do you find there's a point, say 400 meters just for the sake of example, where those fast light bullets giving the wind less time to affect it really matches/ties the ability of a heavier, higher BC bullet to buck the wind?

 

[Buckmastr]

I didn’t say that. The notion a fast twist barrel can’t shoot 40 grain bullets accurately is baloney. And it is.

You disagreed with my post. Inserted that I said you can’t shoot a group with a 40 gr bullet in a fast twist. Just so you could post a target picture. Laughing!!

 

[JIMMY 808]

I’ve not found this to be the case.

Five shots. 1/2”. 6x scope.

Fixed built in windage for shooting south.

 

[pathfinder76]

Adjustment. Check. Then to 500.

 

[JIMMY 808]

With my fixed 6s I would adjust then have built in windage for shooting north.

 

[Sun_and_Steel_77]

Back from the range today after watching my buddy shoot itty-bitty groups like pathfinders with 55gr Hornadys out of his custom 600 newly received from PRCook with an 8 twist IBI barrel chambered in 223AI.

Too cold for the chrono today but this was 26grs of blc2 so the speed was up there.
No real downsides to an 8 twist at 223 speeds in bullet weights from 50 to 75grs in my experience.

 

[remington jim]

If you did have a fast twisted 22-250s is the regular short action mag going to be long enough to seat the heavy bullets?

A Rem M700 SA will let you seat out to 2.800 + so plenty of lenght ! RJ

 

[Joel]

A Rem M700 SA will let you sat out 2.800 + so plenty of lenght ! RJ

Awesome!

Thanks for the answers. You too, iron cat.

 

[remington jim]

The 223 and 22-250 are great as is, for what they were designed to do. Pushing large for caliber bullets at deer? That would work, here. Not for many places in Kanada. I own two 243, and two 25-06. Probably better choices.

However, if I was buying a new rifle, it would be a 22-250 before the 22 creedmore/Valkyrie/nosler. If I was rebarreling, paying for the gunsmith, 22-250ai in about 8 twist.

To Improve on that Bud - JMHO ! the 22 CM is the BEST of those with factory brass (alpha- peterson - hornady ) available so no fire forming ness ! and even Factory loaded ammo too ! Performance is nearly IDENTICAL as the 22-250 AI . why waste all that money and time fire forming AND barrrel wear ! RJ

 

[Sun_and_Steel_77]

To Improve on that Bud - JMHO ! the 22 CM is the BEST of those with factory brass (alpha- peterson - hornady ) available so no fire forming ness ! and even Factory loaded ammo too ! Performance is nearly IDENTICAL as the 22-250 AI . why waste all that money and time fire forming AND barrrel wear ! RJ

Spot-on RJ, 22 Creed is here to stay.
I have been watching it's development on the stateside forums for for the past three or so years and those guys have been going through barrels like tires on a race car.
Hodgdon is listing data on their site.

 

[iron cat]

LOL

Cat do you find there's a point, say 400 meters just for the sake of example, where those fast light bullets giving the wind less time to affect it really matches/ties the ability of a heavier, higher BC bullet to buck the wind?

I never did any subjective testing to that effect, no, but when I am shooting for accuracy, I use the heaviest ( highest BC ) bullet I can shoot out of my rifle that shoots well at 300 meters.The only reason I say 300 meters is I rarely shoot closer than that with my match rifles . I have never tried shooting a 40 grainer past 500
Cat

 

[Joel]

I never did any subjective testing to that effect, no, but when I am shooting for accuracy, I use the heaviest ( highest BC ) bullet I can shoot out of my rifle that shoots well at 300 meters.The only reason I say 300 meters is I rarely shoot closer than that with my match rifles . I have never tried shooting a 4 grainer past 500
Cat

Right on Just wondering how much it matters at 300-400 meters. Never seemed to comparing 52-53gr V-Max and Varmageddon to heavier match bullets but this is also shooting steel, not paper.

 

[iron cat]

Right on Just wondering how much it matters at 300-400 meters. Never seemed to comparing 52-53gr V-Max and Varmageddon to heavier match bullets but this is also shooting steel, not paper.

At 300 and 400 meters, I don't think you would see much of a difference on paper, very hard to know unless a complete test was done. In a hunting situation I don't think you would see any difference.
Cat