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I received a set of .270 dies for Christmas! I'll be doing some loading for it.
The rifle is my old faithful Savage 110. Love that thing.

Anyways, my question in this: I received a couple pounds of surplus powder from a friend on the can it is marked '44', but also says 'use 3031 data'. He received a bunch from an old timer years ago.
I'd like to give it a try in the .270.

From my limited resources I have not found a 3031 recipe for the .270.

I'm thinking 110 grainers right now (for plinking and varmints).

Does anyone have load data for the .270 using 3031 powder?


Thanks all!

Happy New Year!
 
3031 is only for the light bullets, if I recall around 45 grains. But unless you know it is 3031 I wouldn't.
 
Don’t take a chance ... know a couple of people who have someone surplus powder to there needs ....marked the wrong brand on it ....buddy went to reload with it and after the 2 or 3 shot the gun blew up
Ask your self do I want an eye to go missing
Do i want a piece or chunk of my face to be blowin off,,,,!!!

Use it as fertilizer !,,!!!!!
 
I've had powder passed down with none-too-sure labeling. As stated, fertilizer. Although admittedly, I have diddled with homemade pyrotechnics in the backyard, but I was risking my fingertips, not yours. Proceed with caution.
 
Good Grief!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't any of you naysayers ever do any REAL due diligence????????????

Dogleg. That #44 powder came from a shipment brought in by Tom Higginson close to 40 years ago. International Firearms offered it with a reloading package for surplus 6.5x55 that was loaded with a very good but slightly slow flake powder and wooden bullets. You had your choice of pulled 160 grain round nose cupro nickle down to 87 grain copper jacket hollow point with other soft points in between. The original shipment of 300 tons was brought in by Hodgdon's, who Tom had some sort of arrangement with and I believe Ammomart still does.

The powder is very slightly slower burning than IMR 3031 so 3031 load data is safe.

I did a bunch of testing for Tom on that powder with the 6.5x55 and 7.62x51 Nato. He supplied the cartridge cases/bullets/powder/primers. I found it to be very consistent but temperature sensitive.

My only issue with it was that he sent me way more than was needed for the tests. I still have some of the bullets left for both tests.

One thing to check very closely on that powder. If it has started to clump or if you have it in the 1 pound paper containers with the metal tops and the inside of the lids are rusty, it's breaking down and should be disposed of. I had some of the #44 powder (Nobel) deteriorate on me. I mixed it up with a bunch of sand that my wife was using to mix with the soil in her flower gardens. I put it into a cement mixer along with other fertilizers and rotated it for an hour. This was enough time for the coarse sand to wear away the protective coating and gave the extruded granules a pitted appearance. Those gardens still produce lovely flowers. It's impossible to find any of the powder granules in the mulch mix so it must have broken down. Another batch that went bad on me was very acidic. OEM4350 (N160) I burned some of the worst and threw some into one of the gardens That was close to a decade ago and those granules are still visible if you look for them.

If that #44 powder smells good, isn't clumping and no visible rust is on the metal interior of the can, USE IT.

Back in 1978 Higginson's sold it for $4/pound and if you purchased 50 pound kegs they would ship for free and throw in a 10 pound bag of one of their other surplus powders of your choice. It was a great deal.
 
bearhunter said:
Good Grief!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't any of you naysayers ever do any REAL due diligence????????????

Dogleg. That #44 powder came from a shipment brought in by Tom Higginson close to 40 years ago. International Firearms offered it with a reloading package for surplus 6.5x55 that was loaded with a very good but slightly slow flake powder and wooden bullets. You had your choice of pulled 160 grain round nose cupro nickle down to 87 grain copper jacket hollow point with other soft points in between. The original shipment of 300 tons was brought in by Hodgdon's, who Tom had some sort of arrangement with and I believe Ammomart still does.

The powder is very slightly slower burning than IMR 3031 so 3031 load data is safe.

I did a bunch of testing for Tom on that powder with the 6.5x55 and 7.62x51 Nato. He supplied the cartridge cases/bullets/powder/primers. I found it to be very consistent but temperature sensitive.

My only issue with it was that he sent me way more than was needed for the tests. I still have some of the bullets left for both tests.

One thing to check very closely on that powder. If it has started to clump or if you have it in the 1 pound paper containers with the metal tops and the inside of the lids are rusty, it's breaking down and should be disposed of. I had some of the #44 powder (Nobel) deteriorate on me. I mixed it up with a bunch of sand that my wife was using to mix with the soil in her flower gardens. I put it into a cement mixer along with other fertilizers and rotated it for an hour. This was enough time for the coarse sand to wear away the protective coating and gave the extruded granules a pitted appearance. Those gardens still produce lovely flowers. It's impossible to find any of the powder granules in the mulch mix so it must have broken down. Another batch that went bad on me was very acidic. OEM4350 (N160) I burned some of the worst and threw some into one of the gardens That was close to a decade ago and those granules are still visible if you look for them.

If that #44 powder smells good, isn't clumping and no visible rust is on the metal interior of the can, USE IT.

Back in 1978 Higginson's sold it for $4/pound and if you purchased 50 pound kegs they would ship for free and throw in a 10 pound bag of one of their other surplus powders of your choice. It was a great deal.
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I had some of the Noble 103 If I remember right it was the same as 4320. I forget the other number but it was the same as 4831 Both were very good powders.
 
Thanks bearhunter

Yep. You've described the containers and labeling perfectly.
I have noticed that the inside of the tins do look rusty. There seems to be a fine brown powder on the inside of the tin.
However it smells fine and is not clumpy.
My friend has used it in some 25-06 reloading. He says it's fine?!?

I might give it a go on some 22-250 rounds and see.

Thanks for all the info.
 
bearhunter said:
Good Grief!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't any of you naysayers ever do any REAL due diligence????????????

Dogleg. That #44 powder came from a shipment brought in by Tom Higginson close to 40 years ago. International Firearms offered it with a reloading package for surplus 6.5x55 that was loaded with a very good but slightly slow flake powder and wooden bullets. You had your choice of pulled 160 grain round nose cupro nickle down to 87 grain copper jacket hollow point with other soft points in between. The original shipment of 300 tons was brought in by Hodgdon's, who Tom had some sort of arrangement with and I believe Ammomart still does.

The powder is very slightly slower burning than IMR 3031 so 3031 load data is safe.

I did a bunch of testing for Tom on that powder with the 6.5x55 and 7.62x51 Nato. He supplied the cartridge cases/bullets/powder/primers. I found it to be very consistent but temperature sensitive.

My only issue with it was that he sent me way more than was needed for the tests. I still have some of the bullets left for both tests.

One thing to check very closely on that powder. If it has started to clump or if you have it in the 1 pound paper containers with the metal tops and the inside of the lids are rusty, it's breaking down and should be disposed of. I had some of the #44 powder (Nobel) deteriorate on me. I mixed it up with a bunch of sand that my wife was using to mix with the soil in her flower gardens. I put it into a cement mixer along with other fertilizers and rotated it for an hour. This was enough time for the coarse sand to wear away the protective coating and gave the extruded granules a pitted appearance. Those gardens still produce lovely flowers. It's impossible to find any of the powder granules in the mulch mix so it must have broken down. Another batch that went bad on me was very acidic. OEM4350 (N160) I burned some of the worst and threw some into one of the gardens That was close to a decade ago and those granules are still visible if you look for them.

If that #44 powder smells good, isn't clumping and no visible rust is on the metal interior of the can, USE IT.

Back in 1978 Higginson's sold it for $4/pound and if you purchased 50 pound kegs they would ship for free and throw in a 10 pound bag of one of their other surplus powders of your choice. It was a great deal.
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So are we agreed that left to itself gunpowder isn't going to break to fertilize plants? Olin stored vast quantities of surplus cannon powders underwater for decades while figuring out what to do with it.
With it.
 
What about Winchester 760 for 270 . I hope I have that right . and I just have to say thanks Bear Hunter that was very intresting. heck I was 18 when that deal was going on with the powder. I was chasing women instead of reloading .
 
cement head said:
What about Winchester 760 for 270 . I hope I have that right . and I just have to say thanks Bear Hunter that was very intresting. heck I was 18 when that deal was going on with the powder. I was chasing women instead of reloading .
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I use Win 760 powder with 130gr slugs in my 270, but I'm not pushing velocity either.
 
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