The $30K Luger at epps :)

Boomer74 said:
It's funny this thread came up, as I looked (on the website) at the same pistol just last week, the same as the pistol pic'd above.

On a similarly odd note, speaking of $26,000...

I was at an art gallery yesterday looking around and came across an artistic 36" x 60" print of the iconic photo of Muhammad Ali standing over Sonny Liston, that was signed by both fighters.

It was sold too... For nearly the exact same price ($25,900).

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I bet that's one Sonny Liston didn't autograph for free. $;)
 
Anyone notice that the Blue Book photo has been FLOPPED?????

I only have 3 Lugers..... but they all have the Safety on the Left..... and a Carbine was no different in that.

Borchardt? I have held one and the Side Plate and Cocking Bolt are on the Left.

I would expect this from "Bubba's Antyquees an Reel Nice Thangs"..... but definitely not from BLUE BOOK!!!

"Folly, thy name is Man!"
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Klunk

Their was originally more than two lugers chambered in 45 cal, Georg Luger commisioned these to compete at the test trials in the USA when the Americans were going to replace issue revolvers, the 45 lugers at the test trials were destroyed that is for sure, many other countries also submitted their semi's for a chance to gain approval and lucrative contracts from the US government.The colt 1911 was successful--politics I would think.

Two original 45 lugers are known to have survived, they are referred to as the Aberman and the Norton lugers, both previous owners, just forget which one right now but one resided in Canada for many yrs untill bieng moved to the USA several yrs ago.

Respecting the Epps carbine I can tell you fellows that the original serialed stock is what bumped this price up, not sure where it went but if it did go south keep an eye on Rock Island or Julia auctions--never did get the serial number but value will be down in the USA due to import marking regulations in last few yrs, the Import stamp has an effect on these as the carbine 1902 luger does not qualify for an antique due primarily to its manufactured date and country of origin. Curious and relics yes.

The part Smellie was referring to in the aid of assisting the long barrel to move back and forth on the Luger Carbine during firing is called an accelerator piston, it fits into the forestock and is basically a spring assisted piston.
 
Imperial Luger:

For the last 50 years I have been hearing tales regarding a shipment of 100 .45 Lugers which were made in Berlin, shipped to the USA for further testing..... and disappeared on the New York docks, never to be seen or heard from again.

Do you have any knowledge or documentation regarding this?

Thank you.
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Smellie

Answer to your Question

Absolute Bull ****, you can well believe if even one other survived it would have surfaced for sale by now, about two years ago one of the 45cal lugers sold for just under one million. Keeping right on par with original providence proofed Walker Colts.Providence bieng the key word here.

John Martz in the USA has produced a few knockoffs and he states this fact, also one other individual-no names-tried to reproduce several 45 cal lugers, fortunately one blew up during testing.

The 100 lugers you may be referring to are the 1900 models in 7.65 luger, these were called test lugers and fall within a specific serial range, also these 100 lugers have slightly different markings to identify what our American Luger collectors affectionately call test series.The lugers are still 1900 commercial lugers manufactured by DWM
 
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I am well aware that they DO not exist; I am just wondering if they DID exist.

The .45 Luger is so very different from the .30/9mm models that I rather doubt ANY parts would interchange apart from, possibly, the front sight. It was a HUGE job to engineer it and then to make it, so why stop at just TWO? But it performed quite well in the test for which we have documentation (1909?) and so it would have made sense for a "test" batch to be produced. The USA, after all, would have been a very nice contract at RM120 or so apiece.

It just seems odd to me that an impractical gun such as the Colt would run up against ZERO serious competition from so fine a gun as the Luger.

Industrial espionage and industrial sabotage has existed since the Spartans quenched their iron coins in vinegar to prevent their being used for forging material..... and modern steel mills are VERY hot. Accidentally dumping ONE box into the salt-chuck or accidentally routing it to where it would be destroyed unnoticed would have been just as possible in 1911 as today. I am just wondering if there is any indication that such did, in fact, occur.

The rumours have persisted for 3 generations now at least; I first heard this from an old-time collector 50 years ago.

Thank you.
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