The 35 Remington Thread

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Okay so not to much information out there on the now almost 110 year old 35 Remington so we have to band together here with our collective thoughts......

Post your load data, doesn't matter if it is cast or jacketed load data, for those of you new to the 35 rem having a hard time figuring out what to use I'll give you a great tip, if you have gas checked bullets just use the regular load data for jacketed bullets, of course start low and work up. The pressure and the velocity of the jacketed bullet loads is totally in tune with what your after for cast.....

Who is casting and what mold are you using? what molds should we be using?

right now I am running a lyman 200 grain round nose gas check mold and bullet, when loaded over either 12 or 13 grains of SR7625 I am getting inch and a half groups at 100 yards, same group size and elevation as 200 grain round nose factory but 500 fps slower. work up to this load slowly as I am running a bolt action capable of higher pressures.

If your shooting cast bullets and your wondering why your primers appear to be backing out of the case, this is normal, there isn't enough pressure generated to push the case back against the bolt face to reseat the primer when the gun is fired, there is a bit of a simple cure. Seat your bullets so they engrave the rifling and hold the case back on the bolt face, from this point forward only neck size this brass as the shoulder will eventually move forward on the case when fireformed to the chamber, to neck size with a full length sizing die just simply stick a quarter on your shell holder and screw the die down till it touches the quarter, but keep these brass sorted and marked for low pressure cast bullet loads.

I got a hot industry tip yesterday that Hornady is doing a special run of 35 remmington brass set for release in 2016..........

So what's in your 35?? pistol bullets loaded backwards? single round ball at .360?? big 225 grain hollow point slugs???
 
I have been using Hornady 200gr round nose over 45grain of LVR and Speer 220gr over 43gr of LVR. I do not have a chrony so I can't tell you what the velocity is.

I also only neck size with my full length sizer because with a full length size my rounds where not firing in my Marlin. Even some of my factory rounds were not firing, I'm assuming the neck was pushed back to far.
 
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freddyfour said:
I have been using Hornady 200gr round nose over 45grain of LVR and Speer 220gr over 43gr of LVR. I do not have a chrony so I can't tell you what the velocity is.

I also only neck size with my full length sizer because with a full length size my rounds where not firing in my Marlin. Even some of my factory rounds were not firing, I'm assuming the neck was pushed back to far.
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Make sure the bullet does not touch the rifling. If it does, it will keep the shoulder off the chamber and soften the hammer blow.
 
37 gr H335 under a Ranch Dog / NOE SC359-190-RF air cooled wheel weights lubed with Speed Green checked with Gator checks and WLR in Remington brass. Hits hard and is very accurate in my late 50's microgroove Marlin 336 with Williams receiver sights. Next spring I'm going to work up a few more loads with other powders and I also have the RCBS 35-200 to try out both from the RCBS mold and a NOE mold. I hope Leverevolution works well in it with either of these 2 boolits.
 
There is quit a bit of 35 Rem info over one the marlin owners forum. Seems to be the consensus that you can not put to much LVR in the case, pressure signs seem to be non existent and case life is very long.
 
I started with a 336 wavy top and my son has a 141, now a carbine thanks to a little less barrel.

In the lever and in the pump, beware of cartridge length. Too long will give feeding problems. Too short will give lockup problems as well. Pistol bullets and round ball loads are not an option, too short, unless you chamber the cartridge manually, not through the magazine. The pump is especially bad when it locks up. The problem with the 336 is that the feeding, or the mechanical works and timing is designed for a rimmed cartridge. With rimless shells like the 35 Rem, timing is controlled by cartridge length. It may be possible to bend and tweak some of the feeding pieces to work with shorter rounds, but I have avoided this as it is pretty much an undocumented procedure. IMO the 35 Rem should have been rimmed. I look at the 308 Marlin Express and it would make a fantastic 35 cal round if necked up. It would easily duplicate 35 rem velocities in a short barrel.

The other consideration is headspace. The shoulder of the 35 Rem is small, small enough that it can barely function without being set back. Low pressure loads cause problems, and if you use Federal brass, problems are a guarantee, with any reload that is less than full pressure. I check the headspace length of every cartridge before I resize them, without exception. I only carry new factory ammo if I'm hunting, especially in bear country. I prefer Remington 200 gr RN Core-Lokt ammunition.

I use LVR powder, no issues.

I'm new to cast, I have a 35-200 RCBS mould and a LEE 358-200 6 cavity on order.

I shoot low pressure loads, and this is how I deal with shoulder setback. any case that show more than minimal setback gets necked up to 40 cal. and then gets FL resized. For cast loads I have neck sized with a 310 die for testing low pressure cast loads. A Federal case cane be necked up to 40 and resized back several times before it fails.

Also beware of older guns and dies and such made to old SAAMI specifications. I have 2 SAAMI documents, one from 1937 and new one downloaded from SAAMI, they are different. L. E. Wilson makes tools to the 1937 spec, as recently as 2 years ago. New factory ammunition will test as max or slightly longer than max headspace in their tool. It would be wise to check your reloading dies. My die set requires a +0.004 Redding shell holder for proper resizing. Adjusting the die off the shellholder is unreliable because of the characteristics of the 35 Rem brass. It is a thin case made to expand and seal the chamber with low pressure. It's like comparing a 44 Mag case to a 44-40 case.

Don't get me wrong, I like the 35 Rem. It has stood the test of time, it works. Contender shooters ofttimes convert it to rimmed, use 30-40 Krag or 303 Br cases, after all the 35 was designed around the 30-40 Krag case.

There have been quite a few very good 35 calibers, and all are pretty much obsolete or sliding that way. 35 Winchester, 358 Winchester, 9x57, 350 Rem Mag, 358 Norma Mag. 350 Rigby, and other forgotten gems. The 35 Whelen is trying to hang on to life, but new factory chambered rifles are rare.

The shooting public do not seem to buy new 35 cal rifles. Remington re-introduced the 350 RM a few years back, and after a very short production run, and fooling with several twist rates, it was gone.

New rifle in 35 Rem are also endangered, Marlin seems to have a listing on and off and on again roller coaster ride with it. Rem model 7, discontinued, and that's about it.

35 Rem ammunition is priced way up there, over $40 a box last time I looked, which will push it further towards obsolescence.

I ramble on, the 35 Rem has it's good points, but it also has it's problems. Reloading for it is not for the tenderfoot.
 
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Swaged some bullets today, 10 of each weight just to try, 180, 200, 220 and 240 grain. swaged them with a gas check on the base and then knurrelled and tumble lubed in my special lube. Loaded them all up seated far enough out of the case to hold the base of the case back on the bolt face, going to keep my low pressure brass separate from my full house loads and bump the shoulder forward to keep the primers seated flush in the cases after firing


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kamlooky said:
IMR4320 and 50grs with both the 180's and 200's.
That BLR don't care, all that changes is elevation.
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is that with jacketed bullets? whats the groups look like at 100? The ones I swaged are 12 BHN(wheel weight hardness) so 2000FPS should be doable if I choose to but going to see how they fair at 1500 fps before I push them hard
 
My Gamemaster has been sitting in the safe for a long time so I don't have very much to add to this thread.
But some may find this interesting, a Lee Target Model Loader in .35 Remington. It's got a micrometer seating die.
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HS-6 and 200 grain cast are looking promising, and for a fun water jug load nothing beats 6 grains of said powder behind a berry's plated 158 grain plated semi wadcutter
 
Marlin 336C DOM 1974. Hornady 200gr RNSP, 36.2C H4895, CCI 200, Remington cases. 5 shot 1" grouping at 100yds. Avg vel 1886fps
 
when I owned the 35 Rem I was casting with the RCBS-35-200 FN (gas checked and 18+ BHN)
I always chased the max loads
precision was about 1.2MOA

still have the mold and the gas-check maker in case I acquire another 35 REM
 
Some more information on the 35 Remington in my Marlin, all with 200 grain bullets.

Firstly, I chronographed four old CIL Dominion loads, with 200 grain bullet and they averaged 2054. I think this is about the velocity the 35 Remington was designed for.

I also checked 38.5 grains of 4320 with 200 grain bullets. This is the exact load of 4320 as shown in the Lee guide in this thread. The chronograph put those at 1900 fps.

39.5 grains of Varget gave the 200 grain bullet good, consistent velocity averaging 1962.

3031 powder, with the same 200 grain bullet, went from 1907 with 37.5 grains, to 2010 with 39 grains. 40 grains was OK in my rifle, but I didn't check the speed.

Hodgdon show 2116 fps with 41.4 grains of LVR powder but my chronograph averaged 1925, with 41.4 grains. This indicates that one could increase the LVR until the Hodgdon velocity of a bit over 2100 was obtained and that would likely be a very accurate load.
 
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