The Battlegrounds of the 2019 Election

schwyl said:
Like I said There is no point in voting. Ont and Que will dictate to me who will run my life for the next 4 years
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If you and nobody else outside of Ontario and Quebec don't bother voting, how is that going to help?

Ont and Que won't matter as the Liberals just get voted in by that logic everywhere outside of Ont and Que.......

Even if Liberals do well in Ont and Que the numbers of CPC votes everywhere else still matter to show how little of the country supports them.

Makes no sense. No 'good' sense that is....
 
Remember everyone

1) Unless you are dealing with firearm owners talk about non firearm issues to have the most effect.

2) Non CPC votes are the targets. If the Liberal will not vote CPC don't try......convince them the NDP is the better choice if it is a Liberal riding or Green if an NDP riding.

3) When dealing with a CPC voter the priorities are to make them motivated to actually go and vote not stay home.

4) When dealing with ambivalent or people who don't care, don't waste time on them if they are resistant.

Try to reach outside of your normal circle to influence people you don't usually talk to.

When pumping gas.......strike up a conversation with somebody doing the same about how much the Green tax grab is costing.....

In the supermarket checkout, note how prices have gone up due to Green tax grabs on transportation costs....

Start friendly. Stay friendly.

Keep it light and try to have humour to create positive energy and a memorable event. Those have the most lasting influence.

See how they react......it will tell you if they are CPC, Liberal or Dipper or don't care.

Then you will know how to influence them most effectively.
 
Voting is ONLY HALF the job!!! Then you need to hold politicians accountable, and I believe that is where Canadians fail miserably!!! There are laws in place that can be used to bring corrupt politicians down. But the majority who don't vote are screaming to the politicians, "I DON'T CARE, MAKE MY DECISIONS FOR ME!" And that's where we are today. Go to your local candidates office & tell'em, "...If you screw me, you'll have ME to deal with!" Then help get them elected and hold them accountable! They serve US!!! They do what the majority demands! Otherwise, you deserve what we have right now (and it's shameful!!!)

My 3 cents... (inflation.)
 
85919080IPSC said:
Voting is ONLY HALF the job!!! Then you need to hold politicians accountable, and I believe that is where Canadians fail miserably!!! There are laws in place that can be used to bring corrupt politicians down. But the majority who don't vote are screaming to the politicians, "I DON'T CARE, MAKE MY DECISIONS FOR ME!" And that's where we are today. Go to your local candidates office & tell'em, "...If you screw me, you'll have ME to deal with!" Then help get them elected and hold them accountable! They serve US!!! They do what the majority demands! Otherwise, you deserve what we have right now (and it's shameful!!!)

My 3 cents... (inflation.)
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I whole heartily agree that the politicians need to be held accountable, even with the laws in place nothing is being done. How many times have we seen Trudeau actively violate parliamentary procedures and ethics.. countless times and nothing is being done but parties hollering across the floor that they have been caught of wrong doing, but nothing ever comes of it and it is beyond frustration of the highest level.
 
schwyl said:
Yeah Yeah Yeah. Keep telling the good ole alberta boy to vote and make himself feel good when He understands that by time the polls close in alberta the government is already decided for him.
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It is irrelevant where your from and if your a "good ol boy"...

The mentality of "it doesn't matter if I vote" is toxic.. it spreads and infects others. This is a Democratic Society, everyone's voice needs to be heard and we can accomplish that by actively partaking in the election. Sitting back on your lazy boy and complaining ins't helping anyone. If you do not vote, you have surrendered your right to have an opinion. If you want to sit there and complain you better well bloody vote...
 
A non vote is an endorsement of the popular party on election night. I will take the time to vote , I will take the time to discuss issues with others who are going to vote . Stay away from the firearms emotional debate, but hammer home the others . If talking to a feminist bring up Trudeaus treatment of Wilson-Raybould and other powerful female Mp's , His purely toxic, Trudeaus way or GTFO if you are a woman who opposes him. If talking to an environut bring up his slips on protecting Canada from the "evil" pipeline and thanking people concerned about their poisoned water for their donations . If talking to an older person or more conservative with money bring up the wastes of Tax payers money and the promises that fell through where it matters . Bring up the SNC Lavalin and pressuring his opposition with unnecessary court battles and then dropping them after huge wastes of time and money. If you can commit to getting them worked up and staying relatively detached then you will have done your good deed. I even like to emphasize with their plight with something like "You know , I might even vote Liberal if they got rid of Trudeau as the head of the party. But as long as that trust fund baby is in power and somehow getting rich on a fixed income I will pass". Push Green. Push a split vote. Push the Conservatives but if they absolutely will not vote Conservative a vote for anyone but Liberal is a better choice . Most importantly GET OUT AND VOTE !
 
What has the Conservative party done for us lately? What have they even promised us this time? To leave us alone? BS. The current laws do NOT leave us alone and the C party was totally fine with them for all of Harpers tenure. Scheer is even more Neutral on these issues than Harper was. After what the C party did to Maxime and their obvious aversion to freedom (supporting unfree markets for dairy) I will be voting PPC as every other firearm owner should be doing. Strategic voting gets you the lesser of 2 evils and is not a long term strategy for us.
 
Wolverine .303 said:
It is irrelevant where your from and if your a "good ol boy"...

The mentality of "it doesn't matter if I vote" is toxic.. it spreads and infects others. This is a Democratic Society, everyone's voice needs to be heard and we can accomplish that by actively partaking in the election. Sitting back on your lazy boy and complaining ins't helping anyone. If you do not vote, you have surrendered your right to have an opinion. If you want to sit there and complain you better well bloody vote...
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Exactly! I used to have the "my vote doesn't matter" mentality. In the grand scheme of things will it ever come down to one vote and yours will be the deciding? nope, but if you start thinking that way it will bleed into the other areas of your life. You're giving up before you have even started.

You are what you eat, so to speak.
 
If voting PPC . And we managed to get EVERY gun owner in Canada to do so they would end up with maybe 5 seats . The greens got 605000 + votes in 2015 and ended up with 1 seat . The PPC needs time to get established . Max was my choice for leader of the Conservatives but for a newly formed party to have any hope of breaking into the top two spots he would need a lot more than 2.2 million votes . How ever 2.2 million members of the Conservatives writing their Mp and every other Conservative Mp in Canada on a weekly basis in regards to scrapping the firearms act and revamping it to make sense and be less of a cluster F... might do some good . Vote as you wish but in this election a split on the conservative side will be disastrous for gun owners.No matter what your affiliation! Write your MP, Write your party, and tell them it is time to stand up for law abiding Canadians!
 
maverick29 said:
What has the Conservative party done for us lately? What have they even promised us this time? To leave us alone? BS. The current laws do NOT leave us alone and the C party was totally fine with them for all of Harpers tenure. Scheer is even more Neutral on these issues than Harper was. After what the C party did to Maxime and their obvious aversion to freedom (supporting unfree markets for dairy) I will be voting PPC as every other firearm owner should be doing. Strategic voting gets you the lesser of 2 evils and is not a long term strategy for us.
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Did the Conservatives not abolish the long gun registry, reclassify Swiss Arms and CZs back to non restricted and simplify the ATT process? Did they not support common sense firearms legislation proposed by the CSSA? Rome was not built in a day. As the NDP and the Greens both support the Liberal's stance on firearms a vote for the PPC does nothing but assure the loss of a huge number of firearms and firearm's freedoms, even with if a Liberal minority is elected.

I think 85919080IPSC has it right. Voting in the party of choice is only half the battle. Once they are there we can't go back to sitting on our hands and watching things unfold. We have to hold them accountable. It doesn't matter what party holds power they tend to forget who voted them in and who they are accountable to and proceed with their own agendas. It's up to us to keep them on track. I am as guilty as any but plan to change my tune.
 
schwyl said:
Yeah Yeah Yeah. Keep telling the good ole alberta boy to vote and make himself feel good when He understands that by time the polls close in alberta the government is already decided for him.
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who do you want representing you in your riding, a dipper or conservative?
 
maverick29 said:
What has the Conservative party done for us lately? What have they even promised us this time? To leave us alone? BS. The current laws do NOT leave us alone and the C party was totally fine with them for all of Harpers tenure. Scheer is even more Neutral on these issues than Harper was. After what the C party did to Maxime and their obvious aversion to freedom (supporting unfree markets for dairy) I will be voting PPC as every other firearm owner should be doing. Strategic voting gets you the lesser of 2 evils and is not a long term strategy for us.
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a vote for Bernier's vanity project is a vote for the status quo.
 
wapitiwhacker said:
Did the Conservatives not abolish the long gun registry, reclassify Swiss Arms and CZs back to non restricted and simplify the ATT process? Did they not support common sense firearms legislation proposed by the CSSA? Rome was not built in a day. As the NDP and the Greens both support the Liberal's stance on firearms a vote for the PPC does nothing but assure the loss of a huge number of firearms and firearm's freedoms, even with if a Liberal minority is elected. ...
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Let's not forget it was the previous government that brought in minimum sentences for firearms-related offences, which this "make Canadian streets safer" government promptly repealed.
 
1-trident-1 said:
who do you want representing you in your riding, a dipper or conservative?
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It will be Mike Lake as it has been for ever.

Like I said. im from alberta so my vote doesn't count for anything. Wake me up at 730pm on election day and let me know who Ont and Que decided was going to run my life the next 4 years.


But I do appreciate the rah rah get out and vote sentiments how ever theres no point.

Just to recap The seat count

Ont 121
Que 78
N.S 14
N.B 11
NFLD 7
PEI 4

BC 42
Alberta 34

Ont and Que Literally have the majority of seats.
 
schwyl said:
It will be Mike Lake as it has been for ever.

Like I said. im from alberta so my vote doesn't count for anything. ...
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There's really no point trying to convince people with your mindset, but here's one more try:

Deciding the winner of an election is not the only way your vote "counts". Being visible is another way it counts.

None of the mainstream parties are driven by any rigid ideology; they shift their platforms to ensure they remain in power. If in your riding, say, a LPC candidate wins or retains his seat but the poll number show a significant increase in CPC votes over last election, he will - completely in the interest of self-preservation, admittedly - tailor his behaviour to reflect that reality in his constituency. Of course he is bound to a degree by party policy, but that's why elected MPs cross the floor or go indie.

All these parties have actuaries and analysts who "read" the overall climate of each riding.

If for the sake of argument that guy wins your riding with a wider margin because conservatives like you "don't bother to vote", he's not getting a clear picture of how many conservatives live in his constituency. He assumes the majority of voters are left-of-centre.

But... If he just squeaks by by a few thousand or a few hundred votes because conservatives get out and vote like never before, that gives him something to think about, if he wants to keep his seat for more than one election cycle. If these guys see a threat, they respond to it. And very few of them are so principled as to stick to their ideological guns if it means losing their power.

So put simply, if there is indication of a blue wave building - even if it doesn't immediately change the power structure in Ottawa - it can have an effect on how the ruling party/parties behave for the next cycle.
 
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BCreserveMP said:
There's really no point trying to convince people with your mindset, but here's one more try:

Deciding the winner of an election is not the only way your vote "counts". Being visible is another way it counts.

None of the mainstream parties are driven by any rigid ideology; they shift their platforms to ensure they remain in power. If in your riding, say, a LPC candidate wins or retains his seat but the poll number show a significant increase in CPC votes over last election, he will - completely in the interest of self-preservation, admittedly - tailor his behaviour to reflect that reality in his constituency. Of course he is bound to a degree by party policy, but that's why elected MPs cross the floor or go indie.

All these parties have actuaries and analysts who "read" the overall climate of each riding.

If for the sake of argument that guy wins your riding with a wider margin because conservatives like you "don't bother to vote", he's not getting a clear picture of how many conservatives live in his constituency. He assumes the majority of voters are left-of-centre.

But... If he just squeaks by by a few thousand or a few hundred votes because conservatives get out and vote like never before, that gives him something to think about, if he wants to keep his seat for more than one election cycle. If these guys see a threat, they respond to it. And very few of them are so principled as to stick to their ideological guns if it means losing their power.

So put simply, if there is indication of a blue wave building - even if it doesn't immediately change the power structure in Ottawa - it can have an effect on how the ruling party/parties behave for the next cycle.
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Well he won by 30k votes last election and received 65% of the vote....

Edit: No ruling party gives two ####s about Alberta. Only Ont and Que matter
 
schwyl said:
Well he won by 30k votes last election and received 65% of the vote....

Edit: No ruling party gives two ####s about Alberta. Only Ont and Que matter
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Say he wins by 25,000 votes this time. They view that as "losing ground" even if they retain power. They'll try to understand why, in the long-game. Their objective isn't to serve Canadians; their objective is to retain power. Serving Canadians to that end is just a byproduct of the quest for power.

Say for the sake of argument that only half the PAL holders in the country voted in the last election, but every single PAL holder votes this time around. That's a million more (mostly conservative) votes. Do you think that won't go unnoticed in the LPCs strategy sessions? It may not swing an election but it sure as hell will sway LPC policy.

Whatever, just stay home. If you put half the effort into voting that you put into explaining your reasons not to...

Like I said. just turn your guns in now. You don't deserve them. They're just going to take them anyway, right? Nothing you can do about it so don't bother trying.
 
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