i didnt even realize that detail until you mentioned it
double hard pass.
At least the stag's proprietary parts are pretty much a non issue with everthing else being 'standard'... well as 'standard' as it can be on an AR10 platform.
The BCL WEJACK and CATAMOUNT
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i didnt even realize that detail until you mentioned it
double hard pass.
At least the stag's proprietary parts are pretty much a non issue with everthing else being 'standard'... well as 'standard' as it can be on an AR10 platform.
And Stag being a reputable manufacturer with a proven track record makes the thought of proprietary parts a little less worrisome, unlike buying BCL where you never know what you're going to get and how much longer it will be till they close their doors and try again under a new name or run a new generation of changes making the older ones incompatible with the new stuff.
Too bad BCL didn't just focus on making the gen 1 rifle reliable instead of making a bunch of cosmetic changes and making them incompatible with more aftermarket at the same time.
i believe the term you're looking for is 'features'. lol
I had a 102, and now a Stag-10... I like the stag alot more than the 102. (build, looks, quality, single AR10 'standard', PRICE).
Stag bare receivers are what, 500$... compared to the 102's 1k$?
That being said, BCL did change my receiver when one of the takedown pins went thru the aluminum... all this with Ryan's help though. At least the warranty thing works.
I also read the various rifle descriptors, and these caught my eye:
Catamount:
This rifle also comes standard with the BCL T-Block, an adjustable gas block for use with a suppressor or tuning for various ammunition loads.
Removable Shell deflector:
"ideal for helicopter operations"
Can someone please tell me what professional force actually uses BCL products?? (it's hard not to laugh at this point also)
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Yeah, me too... I feel bad for BCL: they're actually advertising these for non-civilian use.
Let's see here, CC IUR/MRR or BCL Catabadgajack... mmm tough choice here.
Again, I get the whole "designed/made/etc in Canada" thing.. but, yeah, no.
WTF is wrong with these guys? Nobody wants an AR based rifle that uses proprietary parts. That’s probably the biggest appeal to the platform is how modular it has become. Not even the ejection port cover is standard. Why are they trying so hard to be different and drive up the cost? If they put as much effort into QC as they did on making bull#### changes no one wants or asked for they just may be able to put out a decent product. Of course they’ve had what? Almost a decade to do that? LOL.
rommelrommel
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If you’re gonna go for a kind of AR15 why wouldn’t they change the receiver mating and go for NR status?
The badger makes sense, NR, piston driven, seems to take most AR parts. The wejack seems like a solution to a question no one asked.
The badger makes sense, NR, piston driven, seems to take most AR parts. The wejack seems like a solution to a question no one asked.
rommelrommel
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I seem to remember that they sold some rifles to the Kurds years back, that’s all I can think of. I can’t see any non-broke ass agencies or countries giving these a chance when so many other makers have a track record of delivering reliable rifles.
Ok, so Kurdistan has NEA/BCL products... that's makes one non-civilian client (kind of)
Yes, they have a great warranty (sometimes, there have been guys reporting troubles getting service), unfortunately there's a good chance that everyone that buys an NEA/BCL rifle will need to use the warranty.
They're so used to their parts failing they don't even question it. Just send out another $25 bolt and keep taking people's money for poorly made rifles.
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Still kicking BLC/NEA I see...
First, I respect the opinions of many of the guys posting negative comments in this thread in most things (just not this). That said I really think the only thing wrong with BLC/NEA is their choice of alloy for their receivers, and braying JA's embellishing problems, in many cases problems they have never actually seen. One of those Clowns who's name is now pink, use to drone on about how he'd watched one blow up, but going through that thread of woe you could see that said clown never met the guy till weeks after he had the flash hider peel like a banana. It seems pretty clear that most of the hot air in these threads is just scapegoating, "BURN THE WITCH!!!!".
Does BLC/NEA have some problems, you betchya, but I've held/shot a few of each generation, and I've yet to see the fit and finish problems described in these threads. Since my bank account means I'm shooting the Kraft Dinner of firearms as a rule, perhaps my perspective is a bit more grounded in reality. I have yet to purchase a new firearm without some kind of flaw, but for a Tikka, every other one had some kind of problem. The vast majority were cosmetic. In those cases if the rifle shoots well I'm not going to bother wasting the gas/postage to rectify it. In all other cases warranty work/replacement left me satisfied, in one case VERY happy as I got a serious upgrade! In the end what counts is IF you have a problem, do they fix it? If they didn't fix it I have to ask just how did you start your interaction with the BLC warranty staff?
As for the names, I like them, especially Wejack. You ever seen a Fisher? I have a 90 lbs Mastiff cross, he's like an oversized slightly chubby Pit Bull, but really fast for his size. If I had to bet on the outcome I think I'd put my money on the Fisher. WEJACK's are bad bastards!
First, I respect the opinions of many of the guys posting negative comments in this thread in most things (just not this). That said I really think the only thing wrong with BLC/NEA is their choice of alloy for their receivers, and braying JA's embellishing problems, in many cases problems they have never actually seen. One of those Clowns who's name is now pink, use to drone on about how he'd watched one blow up, but going through that thread of woe you could see that said clown never met the guy till weeks after he had the flash hider peel like a banana. It seems pretty clear that most of the hot air in these threads is just scapegoating, "BURN THE WITCH!!!!".
Does BLC/NEA have some problems, you betchya, but I've held/shot a few of each generation, and I've yet to see the fit and finish problems described in these threads. Since my bank account means I'm shooting the Kraft Dinner of firearms as a rule, perhaps my perspective is a bit more grounded in reality. I have yet to purchase a new firearm without some kind of flaw, but for a Tikka, every other one had some kind of problem. The vast majority were cosmetic. In those cases if the rifle shoots well I'm not going to bother wasting the gas/postage to rectify it. In all other cases warranty work/replacement left me satisfied, in one case VERY happy as I got a serious upgrade! In the end what counts is IF you have a problem, do they fix it? If they didn't fix it I have to ask just how did you start your interaction with the BLC warranty staff?
As for the names, I like them, especially Wejack. You ever seen a Fisher? I have a 90 lbs Mastiff cross, he's like an oversized slightly chubby Pit Bull, but really fast for his size. If I had to bet on the outcome I think I'd put my money on the Fisher. WEJACK's are bad bastards!
I had never seen a WEJACK/Fisher first hand until this past summer; just a few miles north of Warkworth walking out a field access like he did not give a s***, right beside the road. Dark, almost black coat with black, evil looking eyes... and big! I would bet on the Fisher too.
Regarding BCL/NEA; the only experience I have with them is I have an AR upper and lower. I should have bought more of them when they were available... kicking my ass ever since. Compatible with all of the other MIL spec components; fit was excellent; these were unfinished when I got them, and truly, I would buy more if they were available.
Still kicking them? YUP!!! Until they stop putting out so many bad parts and prove that they have corrected their QC issues I will keep calling a spade a spade.
So you think all the reports from guys who bought NEA products in the past who had problems and all the guys who bought 102's recently and had problems are just blowing hot air and scapegoating? You had a few good ones so they must all be good?
No one ever said that every piece coming out of their shop was junk, the problem with NEA/BCL has always been inconsistency. Go back as far as you want in the black rifle section and you will find reports from guys with broken NEA rifles. I thought they were starting to get their shat together near the end of the NEA days but the 102 showed me they haven't changed much other than the name.
You bought a few that worked well, great. I bought an upper/lower combo that works fine, we were lucky to get what we paid for when we bought NEA products, but there are also the many other people who were not as lucky and are not just blowing hot air.
Guys who had to replace parts just to get their brand new rifle to function, they did it themselves because it was too much of a pain in the ass to send it back multiple times like some of the other guys who tried to get warranty for their out of spec rifles. Guys were buying complete 102's just to strip everything off it and build a rifle from quality parts, what does that tell you about the general consensus on their quality? Then BCL went and changed a bunch of stuff so people couldn't do that anymore, and all of a sudden there were no more lines for pre-order.
When they make it right they can make a fine firearm, the problem is that the failure rate is way too high to risk giving them any of my money. I won't risk my money on their products when there are better options available now. Anyone that buys a 102 now that the Stag 10 is available is a fool. I think the only thing that really attracts people to their product is the price but it seems that low price tag comes with another price you have to risk, and that is that the parts may not fit as they were supposed to or they will fail prematurely. You get what you pay for and a cheap price tag is rarely found without sacrificing quality.
BCL need to focus on making the products they currently have in the catalog 100% correct 100% of the time. Until the failure rate gets back down to what is comparable with other manufacturers they can make all the "fancy" rifles they want and come up with all the clever names they want and I will buy products from other manufacturers and sit back and watch the reports of BCL problems continue to roll in and read how guys are so surprised that a rifle that cost over $1000 isn't reliable and spew on about how it should shoot sub moa with surplus ammo for that price.
I don't care what clever names they come up with for their new rifles, unless they actually work as advertised and aren't plagued with QC issues it's still just a POS BCL.
As for the 6061 vs 7075, not much of a concern to me on a civilian rifle. It's not like many of us are ever going to put enough rounds through one to wear it out, mostly because it will be broken before it wears out the receiver
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The Peshmerga. Who actually are people you don't want to be angry with you, it'll end badly.
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