The Beretta CX4 Thread

Cx4 Range report 2 - update

It's been a few weeks since I did that Cx4 range report, and I've got some more information to share.


First, I've done the DIY mod to the hammer to bring down the trigger pull from ~10 lbs to ~5-6 lbs. It worked beautifully and I am very, very happy with the results. Information sources: http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=16675&highlight=CX4+trigger and http://gulfcoastgunforum.com/showthread.php?17606-DIY-Beretta-CX4-Storm-Trigger-Job

Second, if you're going to put a barrel shroud like I did, make sure you put some protection in between the shroud and the barrel. I hadn't and found six weeks later surface discolorations on the barrel where it contacted the shroud. I suspect it's caused by some kind of reaction between different metals, but what do I know? Anyhow, I cleaned that up, added a generous coating of Froglube CLP and re-installed the shroud. I'll remove it in October and see if anything new happened.

Third, I got rid of that cheap $50 Remington rest you saw on the first range report and replaced it by a Cadwell rest (model "The Rock") that cost twice as much. And it's proved itself to be worth every dollar, ten times better than the Remington crap: very stable, no wobble at all.


So I went back to the 50 yards range to shoot my remaining CCI Blazer Brass 115gr FMJ and Blazer Aluminum 115gr FMJ, along with some Geco 124gr FMJ ammo. As with my first test, for each ammunition type I shot groups of 20 rounds (but twice this time), hand guard on the Cadwell rest and stock on a sandbag, scope at 4x mag. Temperature was light fog with no wind (no problem, I had anti-fog bullets). To calculate the group sizes, I discarded the two outermost flyers of each group and measured the effective size on the remaining 18 holes.

I know, it's not the standard 5-holes method, but I like it because it lets me select the top 90% of the shots (18/20). if I was looking at 5-holes and discarding flyers, I'd select 80% of the hits only and would never know whether the flyer was my fault's or the ammo's. I think I get better "averaging" effect with 20 rounds on one target.

So here are today's results:

CCI Blazer Brass 115gr FMJ - Group 13.9"7.8 MOA
CCI Blazer Aluminum 115gr FMJ - Group 12.8"5.6 MOA
Geco 124gr FMJ - Group 11.8"3.6 MOA
CCI Blazer Brass 115gr FMJ - Group 22.1"4.2 MOA
CCI Blazer Aluminum 115gr FMJ - Group 22.1"4.2 MOA
Geco 124gr FMJ - Group 21.4"2.8 MOA

And since pictures are usually required, this is what that last group looks like: twenty little 9mm holes:

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Conclusions:

1. It's likely that part of the reason for the large 7.8 MOA group size for the Blazer Brass group 1 is that this was the first shoot I did for the test. It had not two, but three flyers. Without these, the group would have been 6.0 MOA. Perhaps I should have shot some practice groups beforehand to warm up. :rolleyes:

2. Since getting the Sierra Papa aftermarket triggers is just about impossible at this time, the DIY adjustment on the hammer is very much worth doing. Just don't over-file the wee thing or you'll be making your gun potentially unsafe and needing a replacement hammer.

3. I'm not buying any more budget ammo, I'd rather shoot quality stuff less often. It's senseless to try improving my shooting technique with cheap ammo: I can't trust what the groupings tell me. Is that flyer caused by a flinch or a trigger jerk, or or is it the ammo that had a QC hiccup?

4. Now that I definitely proved that the Cx4 can make 3 MOA, my personal holy grail for commercial 9mm FMJ will be doing consistent 2 MOA. :d


VIVA LA CONTESSA!
 
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I have just recently gotten a Sierra Papa trigger, hammer, spring, guide rod and buffer. It took forever and was not cheap, but I have it. It was not easy to put in for a first timer, as there are little to no good guides, but its in.

I have not shot it yet, but the feel is immensely improved.
 
JR, where did you get your Sierre Pappa trigger group from? I understood they're not shipping to Canada anymore? And the SP website say they have to install it themselves to perform the adjustments, too.

Gatehouse, light strikes on a Cx4? That's very strange. I've got nearly 2000 rounds through mine and never had a single dud and just two casings that got stuck in the ejection window on their way out. Maybe you just need a new hammer spring, not necessarily an entire new trigger group? Until you get one, you might also want to disassemble the group and clean/lube it, I don't know. There's videos on how to do that on YouTube, just expect that - as usual - re-assembly is a little harder than putting things apart *grins*. I found that a curved dental pick made for a great spring "tail" placement tool.
 
Mine went for a few thousand rounds without issue, then the light strike issue started and it grew worse. I'd love to try s new hammer/spring if Stoeger would just send me the parts! I've been trying for months now.

A dirty firearm is not the cause of the light strikes, either. I've had the whole thing apart and cleaned everything individually and no progress was made.


I bought another carbine to as a backup and now that it's seen a couple thousand rounds I've had 3 failures to ignite. I'm optimistic that it was an ammo problem right now.

Perhaps the spring gets weak, perhaps the hammer gets deformed. If Storger Canads will ever send me the parts then I'll know for sure. I don't mind plastic on a gun, but sometimes it's not the best option. It's probably fine for most shooters but my Storm sees more use in a week than many see in months.

Most important thing for me is that it go bang, and if the SP gear can ensure that, it's a worthwhile investment!
 
Sierra Papa parts availiable thru #####h Armoury. They have offices in the BC interior and Arizona, and have all their export paperwork in place.

like I said, took a while and it was not cheap, but the carbine is so much nicer to shoot. trigger is like a decently tuned factory AR-15 trigger now. I would estimate 4-5 lbs, fairly crisp, very repeatable.

they tell you to send it in and that it needs to be measured to see if you need the little clip. Unfortunately, I did not need the clip. apparently its smoother if you can use the clip as its nice polished stainless. you will be able to tell tho, as the hammer will be way to hard to #### if you put the clip in and the length is too short.

They need to put up some clear how to directions. they have a decent how to on trigger group removal, but the rest is kind of up to you. I am ok with my hands and have good tools as I am a liscenced auto tech, but it was still kinda stressful without real directions.
 
Sierra Papa parts availiable thru #####h Armoury. They have offices in the BC interior and Arizona, and have all their export paperwork in place.

like I said, took a while and it was not cheap, but the carbine is so much nicer to shoot. trigger is like a decently tuned factory AR-15 trigger now. I would estimate 4-5 lbs, fairly crisp, very repeatable.

they tell you to send it in and that it needs to be measured to see if you need the little clip. Unfortunately, I did not need the clip. apparently its smoother if you can use the clip as its nice polished stainless. you will be able to tell tho, as the hammer will be way to hard to #### if you put the clip in and the length is too short.

They need to put up some clear how to directions. they have a decent how to on trigger group removal, but the rest is kind of up to you. I am ok with my hands and have good tools as I am a liscenced auto tech, but it was still kinda stressful without real directions.

SWEET. The one thing holding me back from the CX4 was the trigger, now I can start looking for one :)
 
Thanks guy, I think I'm going to pull the trigger tonight (pun intended!). Worst case scenario, if the housing cracks, it'll give me an excuse to upgrade to the Sierra Papa housing!
 
Love my CX4 9MM, in fact I loved the first one so much I bought a second NR version of the same caliber. Both converted to run PX4 magazines (since I have a 9MM PX4 with about 20 existing magazines),
 
Love my CX4 9MM, in fact I loved the first one so much I bought a second NR version of the same caliber. Both converted to run PX4 magazines (since I have a 9MM PX4 with about 20 existing magazines),

And here i thought i was crazy for having 13 mags for my PX4 and CX4.....
 
Aye Bobbum! I went the DIY route to fix the trigger pull (I posted links earlier), but I wasn't aware I COULD get the Sierra Papa stuff when I did it.

The rest of you... damn you all. I only have five mags, now I feel inadequate... cou:
 
Woah woah woah. K I've read the last few pages but I'm still not sure. I've been eyeing down a cx4 for a few weeks but what's the issue with the trigger? I don't like the idea of $1000+ and needing new parts
 
The only issue with the trigger is that it has a very stiff pull. It's a two-stages where you take the slack easily then hit a wall of resistance, by which I mean up to 10 pounds. It's due to the way the hammer is designed, see these threads for the details:

http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=16675&highlight=CX4+trigger

http://gulfcoastgunforum.com/showthread.php?17606-DIY-Beretta-CX4-Storm-Trigger-Job

Basically, you can pay for a Papa Sierra replacement trigger group, or spend 10 minutes going the DIY route. That's what I did and the pull is down to about 5 lbs now. :)
 
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