The Best Model700 Mtn rifle?

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Hey guys Im eager.

I want to know which was the best, lightest mountain rifle of the Rem 700 mountain rifle line.

I think the Ti is what i want??

Theres a Black "spider webby" stainless .308 with 22 inch pencil that says its 2.8kg in the private Ad....$1000

But do I want the Mountain rifle TI .308?? Which i think ive seen advertised 2nd hand for $2,000.

Sorry for this thread stuff but Im going to be putting up a WTB advert on the aussie gun aale website.. so i wana be sure :)

thank you

wl
 
The Ti and the mountain rifle are different Remington models. The new 700 ss mountain retails here for 1100$ cdn
The Rem 700 Ti is discontinued and last retailed around $1900 iirc
The 700 Ti are hard to find and pricey now.
The Rem 700 mountain is similar in weight and comes with a better stock imo than the older rubberized rem 700 ti
Both shoot similarly after being bedded and having the trigger tuned.

The Ti is the lightest but you wont notice the difference between it and a new Rem 700 mountain ss .
 
The desire for a light rifle for use in rough, steep country can be strong, but I think one needs to approach the ultralight rifle concept with care; issues arise which are not encountered with a standard weight rifles. The first thing you might notice is that the sights don't settle down on target like your sights do with a standard weight rifle, and the lack of weight in the fly weight barrel has a negative effect on balance. Barrel length is a two edged sword though, a shorter, stiffer barrel is likely more accurate, but the short barrel will result in the rifle having a clubby, unnatural feel. It doesn't point. Accuracy should not be judged by shooting 3 or 5 shot groups, but by shooting pairs. If the rifle's first two rounds from a cold barrel hit their point of aim, all is good, but should the the first two rounds scatter, the rifle needs attention in either the bedding or the pressure point in the barrel channel, or both. If you have bad trigger habits, the ultralight rifle will be more inclined to throw a shot wide, but in anycase, you'll want to have a firm hold on the forend.
 
Boomer said:
The desire for a light rifle for use in rough, steep country can be strong, but I think one needs to approach the ultralight rifle concept with care; issues arise which are not encountered with a standard weight rifles. The first thing you might notice is that the sights don't settle down on target like your sights do with a standard weight rifle, and the lack of weight in the fly weight barrel has a negative effect on balance. Barrel length is a two edged sword though, a shorter, stiffer barrel is likely more accurate, but the short barrel will result in the rifle having a clubby, unnatural feel. It doesn't point. Accuracy should not be judged by shooting 3 or 5 shot groups, but by shooting pairs. If the rifle's first two rounds from a cold barrel hit their point of aim, all is good, but should the the first two rounds scatter, the rifle needs attention in either the bedding or the pressure point in the barrel channel, or both. If you have bad trigger habits, the ultralight rifle will be more inclined to throw a shot wide, but in anycase, you'll want to have a firm hold on the forend.
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I own a mountain 700 right now, have owned a Ti in the past. Both shot great. I don't notice any clubby, unnatural feel. they do feel different than a BDL for sure. I find that all rifles "feel" differently from brand to brand. It all depends on what YOU like. I highlighted the statement because, in a hunting rifle its the first shot that counts. 3 and 5 shot groups are impressive if you're in competition and such.
 
guido said:
I own a mountain 700 right now, have owned a Ti in the past. Both shot great. I don't notice any clubby, unnatural feel. they do feel different than a BDL for sure. I find that all rifles "feel" differently from brand to brand. It all depends on what YOU like. I highlighted the statement because, in a hunting rifle its the first shot that counts. 3 and 5 shot groups are impressive if you're in competition and such.
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Remington might not use as light a contour barrel as some other manufacturers, and the 22" barrel is undoubtedly a benefit to it's balance. Just for interest's sake, in inches ahead of the trigger guard, where is the balance point of your rifle?
 
What about a rem model 7 xcr(?) was ss brl and syn stock. Have one in 300wsm and mcmillian stock. It's light and pretty snappy for recoil with full 180g loads
 
My first few Remingtons bought in the 1980's were good quality. But after many disappointments with Remington rifles and guns built in the last 20 years I won't ever buy another. The list includes: poorly machined bolt stop that sticks and allowed the bolt to fall out, gritty rough trigger that they would not replace on warranty and had to be replaced with aftermarket, badly inlet stocks, too short and too long chamber throats, off centre scope mount holes, and sloppy fit and finish. Others do like them, but I say buyer beware. In my opinion Remington is in the lead of American manufacturers "race to the bottom".
You may find a good used one, but i would caution you to inspect it very very carefully first.
 
Buckmastr said:
The Ti and the mountain rifle are different Remington models. The new 700 ss mountain retails here for 1100$ cdn
The Rem 700 Ti is discontinued and last retailed around $1900 iirc
The 700 Ti are hard to find and pricey now.
The Rem 700 mountain is similar in weight and comes with a better stock imo than the older rubberized rem 700 ti
Both shoot similarly after being bedded and having the trigger tuned.

The Ti is the lightest but you wont notice the difference between it and a new Rem 700 mountain ss .
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Thanks mate, this is what i am after.
Of these ones, Which ones have a Hard synthetic stock and not the Rubbery feel to it?

The black one I wanted, Sold...

I have Taker on the T3 so fingers crossed, soon ill have a start on the New rifle.


BOOMER, i 100% agree, couple standard sporters in the Safe, just trading off the T3 (current hills stick) for something AS light or Lighter...preferably lighter LOL.
In Order is
ASCENT
REM MTN SS TI (thingy)
MONTANA
Lefty T3

Great Advice though regarding the 2 shot groups etc.


For the Record, my Rem 700 SPS .270win feels heavy very quickly, how will the Rem mtns? Compare?

WL
 
guido said:
Right in the middle of the floorplate, with scope and sling on.
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Suffice to say that with a shorter barrel, the balance would shift rearward, so Remington's decision to use a 22" barrel on their mountain rifles was a good one. Its interesting to note that my slim 24" barreled Brno ZG-47 in .30/06 with sling and scope balanced between the hinge of the floor-plate and the front action screw, exactly the same place as my M-70 .458 balances with a 21" heavy contour barrel, and both rifles point very well. My 20 pound target rifle with it's 28" barrel is just gross and tries to nose into the dirt at every opportunity, and is useless except from a bi-pod or rest. My old Brno 602, with the light fluted 20" stainless barrel chambered for the .375 Ultra, didn't point particularly well, and it's point of balance was nearer the trigger guard.
 
WhelanLad said:
Thanks mate, this is what i am after.
Of these ones, Which ones have a Hard synthetic stock and not the Rubbery feel to it?

The black one I wanted, Sold...

I have Taker on the T3 so fingers crossed, soon ill have a start on the New rifle.


BOOMER, i 100% agree, couple standard sporters in the Safe, just trading off the T3 (current hills stick) for something AS light or Lighter...preferably lighter LOL.
In Order is
ASCENT
REM MTN SS TI (thingy)
MONTANA
Lefty T3

Great Advice though regarding the 2 shot groups etc.


For the Record, my Rem 700 SPS .270win feels heavy very quickly, how will the Rem mtns? Compare?

WL
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The best time to assess the weight of a rifle is at the end of a hard day in the field. You'll have a sense of how long it took the rifle to fatigue you, so if you started to feel worn out after say 4 hours, the lighter rifle might give you another couple of hours. Nathan Foster is of the opinion that we're all just a bunch of cry baby wimps, and that every woman on earth has carried a 10 pound baby on her hip, so what's the problem! Be that as it may, I was thankful for the fly weight rifle I borrowed from Douglas when my wife and I went strolling in the Yukon hills, above the tree line. By the time we were coming back down I was considering skeletoning the Kevlar stock with my Leatherman, so I'd have probably just left a 10 pound rifle up there.
 
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The new Remington mountain ss has a hard bell and Carlson stock, floor plate and non-fluted barrel
The discontinued second gen Rem ti had a rubberized Bell and Carlson stock with a floorplate.
The differences between the first and second gen rem 700 ti are as follows:
Both discontinued:

Generation 1 Ti:
22" Mountain contour barrel
ADL (blind magazine)
Bell & Carlson textured stock
Standard grooved Remington Trigger

Generation 2 Ti - Introduced in 2007 and since discontinued (AKA Alaskan Ti):
24" Magnum contour barrel w/ flutes
BDL w/ bottom floorplate
Bell & Carlson stock w/ Maxxguard (rubbery feeling)
Pro X trigger
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Boomer said:
The best time to assess the weight of a rifle is at the end of a hard day in the field. You'll have a sense of how long it took the rifle to fatigue you, so if you started to feel worn out after say 4 hours, the lighter rifle might give you another couple of hours. Nathan Foster is of the opinion that we're all just a bunch of cry baby wimps, and that every woman on earth has carried a 10 pound baby on her hip, so what's the problem! Be that as it may, I was thankful for the fly weight rifle I borrowed from Douglas when my wife and I went strolling in the Yukon hills, above the tree line. By the time we were coming back down I was considering skeletoning the Kevlar stock with my Leatherman, so I'd have probably just left a 10 pound rifle up there.
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Yes mate, and that is where I make my mind up on my Rifles that I am carrying, and of late even the T3 becomes a bit of a nuisance ALTHO I will put it down to my Pack and my Bugered Shoulder, giving me most greif although having a slightly lighter rifle slung may be a nice gesture as the more experienced I become, the more things and longer I am going afield and of course, further in some instances..



The problem is, My T3 is great.... but borderline.
my rem 700 is front heavy with a 24 barrel and the Hawkeye, is a ruger so "light" doesn't get a mention at all but each rifle has its specialty...

im looking for a hike light rifle

The other problem is the price difference...
Abolt-T3-Mtn rifle kind of weight around the $1g-1.5g mark brand new, these Ultra babys are from $2500+


Bite bullets or make do while im young....



im starting to think the T3 is proberly where I am at for now.......... :?

WL
 
Buckmastr said:
The new Remington mountain ss has a hard bell and Carlson stock, floor plate and non-fluted barrel
The discontinued second gen Rem ti had a rubberized Bell and Carlson stock with a floorplate.
The differences between the first and second gen rem 700 ti are as follows:
Both discontinued:
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Thank you mate, appreciate that

WL
 
WhelanLad said:
Yes mate, and that is where I make my mind up on my Rifles that I am carrying, and of late even the T3 becomes a bit of a nuisance ALTHO I will put it down to my Pack and my Bugered Shoulder, giving me most greif although having a slightly lighter rifle slung may be a nice gesture as the more experienced I become, the more things and longer I am going afield and of course, further in some instances..



The problem is, My T3 is great.... but borderline.
my rem 700 is front heavy with a 24 barrel and the Hawkeye, is a ruger so "light" doesn't get a mention at all but each rifle has its specialty...

im looking for a hike light rifle

The other problem is the price difference...
Abolt-T3-Mtn rifle kind of weight around the $1g-1.5g mark brand new, these Ultra babys are from $2500+


Bite bullets or make do while im young....



im starting to think the T3 is proberly where I am at for now.......... :?

WL
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The best $$$$/pound ratio in lightweight rifles is the Montana bar none. Swap out the trigger guard for an aluminium one and you are a whisk over 5 lbs for less than anything even close in weight. It's hard to justify the ascent being less than half a dozen ounces lighter for $1000 in price.

I would stick with your T3 unless you want to make the jump to a Montana or KMA.

I just bought a Rem mountain rifle because with the price difference between it and a Montana I bought a new pack. I figured a new pack was worth more to me than the extra pound. I would have got a T3, but I personally don't like some aspects of the T3. Nothing wrong with them though, they weigh the same or slightly less than my mountain rifle for a bit less money.
 
I'd be sticking with the 270 if you have anyone that can do work on it. Contact Stuart at Wildcat stocks to see if he can get you a stock. I was talking to him previously and believe that he was shipping to Australia. Id you can get the stock shorten the barrel to 22" Or better yet get a LH Remington and go from there.
You can still get 3000 fps from a 22" barrel with a 140 gr bullet. and the 22" seems to me to be handier to use.

Neil
 
I have 2 mtn rifles and 2 ti's and a M7 xcr. These are lw's not ultralight id say as run bigger glass on them and the mtn's have factory wood.

I would barrel a Ti with a #1 or 2 contour ( those skinny barrels can walk shots or bed/float it) there stock are light enough.

the newer version of the 700mtn seems decent, or buy a forbes or a montana.
 
cam1936 said:
The best $$$$/pound ratio in lightweight rifles is the Montana bar none. Swap out the trigger guard for an aluminium one and you are a whisk over 5 lbs for less than anything even close in weight. It's hard to justify the ascent being less than half a dozen ounces lighter for $1000 in price.

I would stick with your T3 unless you want to make the jump to a Montana or KMA.

I just bought a Rem mountain rifle because with the price difference between it and a Montana I bought a new pack. I figured a new pack was worth more to me than the extra pound. I would have got a T3, but I personally don't like some aspects of the T3. Nothing wrong with them though, they weigh the same or slightly less than my mountain rifle for a bit less money.
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Good advice . Thanks mate
 
Boomer said:
.. the lack of weight in the fly weight barrel has a negative effect on balance .. you'll want to have a firm hold on the forend.
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Sir, I definitely agree with your last statement .. but not necessarily your comment about "balance".
I do not own a Remington .. but I do own a lightweight mountain rifle, a Kimber Montana 84L in .25-06
And my Montana is just about the best balanced rifle I have ever shouldered. (and points like a shotgun).
Balance is about design, not weight.
 
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