"The Best" Under $750?

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Hey Guys,

I'm pretty new to the forum here, and Im looking for optics, and am in desperate need for help/advice/experience.

I got a couple new rifles (a Remington 700 and a Norinco M14S) and I'm aching to find some optics for them, I'm hoping to get a pretty kick-ass scope for less than 750 each! :)

So, I realize "the best" is subjective at best and a very loaded question, here's what I'm kind of aiming for:

-I'm looking for a variable magnification scope, it does not need an illuminated reticle
-I'm hoping for a 50mm or larger objective
-I'm not super worried about the brand aslong as the optics are good/great
-I'm hoping for a mil-dot reticule, or a reticule that has a decent ranging function
-I'm planning on mounting it on my Rem700 .308, which I will probably be target shooting with
-I'll probably be mounting another one on my M14 (so both of them will be shooting 308) for shorter/faster shots (like 3 gun matches or something)
-I'm hoping for 20x or higher magnification

One I was looking at was the bushnell 4200 elite 6-24x50...but I'm asking on here for your advice/experience/knowledge, as I've just got my first rifles, any input is appreciated!

Thank you kindly! :)

-Jeff
 
good luck with the 3 gun matches or something , with a 20x scope.

you should look at a Nikon Monarch Gold 2.5-10x50mm Riflescope for the Remington 700 (real nice scope i have 2 of them)
http://www.cabelas.ca/show_prod.php...at_id=44&PHPSESSID=qljusavr8mi0kabk8k70ise7r7

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I own a few B&L/Bushnells. I have had a B&L 2.5-10X40 4200 Elite for 10 years and it's been great. I just bought a bushnell model 4200 for my new rifle, and have a 4-16X40 4200 on the way for my 22-250. I hope the new ones will serve me as well as the old one has. Leupold scopes seem to have a very good rep.
 
starpuss said:
good luck with the 3 gun matches or something , with a 20x scope.

you should look at a Nikon Monarch Gold 2.5-10x50mm Riflescope for the Remington 700 (real nice scope i have 2 of them)
http://www.cabelas.ca/show_prod.php...at_id=44&PHPSESSID=qljusavr8mi0kabk8k70ise7r7

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Wow man, talk about a warm welcome....

But thanks for the heads up on the monarchs, I was looking at them for a while, but swayed away when I heard about warranty disasters thanks to the fine people at nikon canda.

Also, wouldn't dialing a variable, like the bushnell work if i dialed it all the way back?
 
stovepipe699 said:
I own a few B&L/Bushnells. I have had a B&L 2.5-10X40 4200 Elite for 10 years and it's been great. I just bought a bushnell model 4200 for my new rifle, and have a 4-16X40 4200 on the way for my 22-250. I hope the new ones will serve me as well as the old one has. Leupold scopes seem to have a very good rep.
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Hey thanks for the heads up! Let me know how you like it when it arrives! :)
Where'd you get yours ordered from?
 
I have a 4200 4-16x40 on my .204 and its a great scope, have always like the elites from Bushnell, and their raingaurd coating is second to none.
 
Graphite, I bought it off someone else who never used it. It was listed for $500 at WSS. I'm not sure if there's a place to get bargains on new. I also can't comment on what mag you need for competition, I don't do that. A 6500 Elite in 2.5-16X42 is listed at $699, and a 2.5-16X50 is listed at $780(catologue, not necessarily correct anymore). In my hunting experience, 2.5X is great for pushing bush, running shots etc. and I wouldn't mind being able to crank it to 16 sometimes, I use my 10X for 100 yard plus on stationary animals. As to what you need for competition, ask in those forums what scopes they recommend. I don't own Leupold, but they are very popular. Have fun!
 
Graphite, I got my 4-16X40 today, and after comparing, the 2.5-10X40 got put on the 308. For hunting, the 2.5 is much faster for target aquisition. That's something to consider if you want to hunt with your rifles. The 4-16 is going where it belongs, on the varminter.
 
i have the 4200 6-24x50 and I am very pleased with it. Great clarity in optics and it's very bright. The turrets are awesome. I have it on a .223 stevens 200 but I plan to move it to a 308 remington 700 when I get one. It also has a "bullet proof" warranty that I don't think anyone is willing to test :p
 
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i have the 4200 6-24x50 and I am very pleased with it. Great clarity in optics and it's very bright. The turrets are awesome. I have it on a .223 stevens 200 but I plan to move it to a 308 remington 700 when I get one. It also has a "bullet proof" warranty that I don't think anyone is willing to test :p
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I've tested their warranty. Again and again.:mad: and again ad nauseum.
 
Dogleg said:
I've tested their warranty. Again and again.:mad: and again ad nauseum.
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what are you doing to those poor scopes:p

has it been the elite line that is causing you grief, or the lower end stuff like the banners and sportsman's?

if its the elite line, what problems have you been experiencing, for future reference?
 
I posted this earlier, but somehow it got lost. The short version is I shot them, broke them, got them fixed and broke them some more.Then I sold them cheap or traded them off. I've broke 3000's , 3200s. 1 4000 and a couple 4200's. I ran them on rifles ranging from a .22 Anschutz (6-24 4200), to a .300 mag and most everything in between. The parallax would increase, the groups would open and if I kept going they would start to get fuzzy. The best of the bunch was one of the first 2.5-10 4000s made. It convinced me to buy a lot of Elites, and then they all started breaking at once. One BAR ate 3 of them, before I put a used Vari-X 111 2.5-8 on it. It took 2 years but I replaced nearly every scope I owned.:(

I got a 6-24 x 50 T 30mm on a rifle that I bought about a month ago, we'll see how it holds up. So far I've only took 150 shots, which proves nothing.
 
Just wondering Dogleg, how many rounds before the 4200 failed? How many through similarly used Leupolds(which I take it haven't failed). I have a 4200 2.5-10X40 for 10 years on a 30-06, but only a few hundred rounds(no problems). Does Leupold make anything with the large feild of view and 40 mm obj? I tried a 1.5-4.5X32 in 3200 and found it didn't gather light well enough for me. I like the 2.5 for deer hunting, I'm nervous how 3.5(on a VXIII 3.5-10X40) would work for moving targets. Any advice on what leupold might suit me?
 
I believe that to rival the Bushnells FOV at 2.5X you would have to go to the 2.8 -8 VX111. I wouldn't worry about the 36 mm objective, it's exit pupil is slightly larger at 8X than a 40 is at 10X. To increase the field of view on a scope you can lower the power or shorten the eye-relief, there is no getting around that. The 2.5-8 has 1/2" shorter eye relief than the 3.5-10 so can produce larger FOV at the lowest power. The 2.5 -10 Bushnell gets a little more (4 feet) by having shorter eye-relief, shorter than they claim. For myself, I'm happy with the 3.5-10 with it's longer eye-relief, but should mention that I have no use for powers under 3, and little for powers under 6. I also shoot with both eyes open.
I've had a few straight tube 1.5-4.5 scopes and found them to be dim little things, permanently cranked to 4.5X. They are easy to buy cheap and used, likely from people that came to the same conclusion.;)It doesn't take many lost first light oportunities for that to soak in.
 
The eye releif is really good on the vxIII 3.5-10 and the optics are great. More $$ than a 4200. I usually use the higher mag, I guess if at 3.5 I could pick it up and find a moving deer just as good as with the 2.5, then it would be irrelevant. Thanks, Rob
 
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