I'm not judging. That will be one heck of a nice rug. I guess I'm just a fan of dogs and wolves. They are rather graceful creatures with hunting skills we should be jealous of.
The big bad wolf is dead..
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I'm not judging. That will be one heck of a nice rug. I guess I'm just a fan of dogs and wolves. They are rather graceful creatures with hunting skills we should be jealous of.
bearkilr
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Pretty easy for someone to say who doesn't have wolves in their area, would you like some? There's plenty where I am, ready to be transplanted and upset your caribou population even further than the bear and coyotes have done.
....don't forget the wiley coyote, if we're talking canines.
Nice wolf, good job.
Wild_Thing
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Wow! That is one big a$$ wolf! Congrats!
Try again. We do have wolves. We wiped them off the island altogether in the 1930s, which was a terribly short sighted move, but fortunately they still thrive in Labrador.
Are you advocating that wolves be exterminated in your area? I expect most hunters with half a clue know that predators (including wolves) have their role to play. That's not to say you shouldn't hunt them (as I said earlier), assuming your population can handle it, but suggesting they be wiped out is more than a little dumb.
bearkilr
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I have no interest in exterminating anything, including wolves.
Your location states "The Rock", which is generally thought of when people speak of Newfoundland. There are no wolves on the island, as you mention.
It's been less than 10 years since Nfld has officially been named Nfld & Labrador, so most still separate the two by name, though I realize it's the same province.
Ask the farmers and hunters in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming what they think of the re-introduction of the wolf.
Well, that's good, because reading your earlier comments might lead one to think otherwise. I wasn't at any time advocating that the OP or anyone else should not hunt wolves. Quite the opposite.
I was saying, and will continue to say, that comments and attitudes like "kill em all", etc, are just plain dumb and really defeat the common purpose. Hunters are by their nature designed to be conservationists.
I know full well what they think, and its unfortunate. The problem in many cases, imho, is that there is no common ground between these folks and the tree huggers/Walt Disney types. Some of the ranchers advocate complete extirpation while the latter think any and all hunting is bad.
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I'm not so sure that voting either liberal or conservative makes much of a difference these days.
I was specifically referring to what Farley Mowat would say about wolves. I can't think of one person who has done everything right, but I can think of many that can be totally demonized by a bad deed or unpopular view or two.
You know, maybe this is the perfect place to think of Mowat, after all, it is a discussion forum.
As for ramming sealing boats and whaling 'research' boats, does hunting deer, rabbits, grouse, etc mean we have to support all kinds of hunting?
As for selling my firearms, not in this life time.
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At this time in our history, when the Liberal's have declared their intension to impose gun bans, while the Conservatives have stated they wish to limit government intrusion into the lives of Canadian citizens, at a time when the anti-hunting movement is stronger than it has ever been, then the answer is yes. Voting Liberal is a vote against your legal ability to own a gun and publicly criticizing any type of legal hunting plays into the hands of the opposition. If you don't wish to participate in the hunting of a particular species, or prefer not to participate in a particular style of hunting, you are free to abstain, but do not pull Farley Mowat's name out of a hat as the last word on conservation. His credibility is right up there with David Suzuki's. Having said that, I do agree with you that predators have a place in the natural world, and should be treated as any other game animal.
Hokus Grey
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I'm suprised that monster didn't turn back into a teenager when you shot it!!
Or is that only if you shoot them with silver HP bullets under a full moon?
Nice wolf.
Or is that only if you shoot them with silver HP bullets under a full moon?
Nice wolf.
Fair enough. You make your point intelligently and eloquently. However, I still don't trust the pre-election promises of any political party. Sure, they talk a good game...
To bring this back to were it started, if there is a wolf problem in the area, shoot away. Great rug.
It should.
Is it legal?...YES
Has the Gov't determined that the population of said animal, is large enough to support hunting?...YES
Not interested in hunting a specific animal...fine, don't, but don't try to take that privilege away from someone else.
Because next year, it might be your favorite game animal that has its season closed, due to criticism/ lack of support.
Nice wolf.
They've made no such generalization. They've indicated they are willing to reduce or alter the nature of government power in a few key areas that they know will buy them votes.
It should.
Is it legal?...YES
Has the Gov't determined that the population of said animal, is large enough to support hunting?...YES
Not interested in hunting a specific animal...fine, don't, but don't try to take that privilege away from someone else.
Because next year, it might be your favorite game animal that has its season closed, due to criticism/ lack of support.
Nice wolf.
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This
The restriction, closing of a season due to political pressure or loss of hunting rights will take every hunter towards the slippery slope.
Regards,
Chizzy
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Certainly they are moving in that direction with respect to ending of the long gun registry and the proposed end of the mandatory census long form. To my way of thinking that points the direction they wish to proceed in and the direction we can expect them to continue. That's not to say that I agree with every word that comes out of their mouths, but I like what they say better than the other guys.
I don't see it as "moving in the direction of lower gov't involvement", given the nature of some of their other initiatives. I see it as pandering for votes in a manner that aligns with my interests (which, granted, is still better than the usual pandering by other political parties). If they were really interested in clawing back the overreach of federal government, we wouldn't have C-6, among other things.
Ardent
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They are ignorant, and only want to see cows and herds of unchecked elk. Using them as an example just entirely undermined your argument.
Did you know, that since the reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone fish populations increased dramatically? The rivers have become deeper, less sediment laden (turbid, or muddy in layman speak), and are wandering less. Also, did you know, that for the first time in 50 years new Aspen stands are growing in Yellowstone? Why? Wolves.
The behaviour of ungulates changed with the eradication of wolves, and they started feeding on lush streambanks immediately, where in the past they had to avoid them. Streams are a favourite hunting ground for wolves, given they naturally attract prey due to water, and the stream course gives wolves long sight lines up and down the river to spot prey on the banks or crossing the river. The elk and deer ate all the bank supporting vegetation, and turned soil into mud with their hooves. The rivers soon widened, shallowed, and became more turbid, fish stocks declined. With the reintroduction of the wolf, the effects on streams are already being seen, they have cleared, deepened, and fish stocks have rebounded due not only to greater water depth and cleaner water, but they have bank cover once again from overhanging vegetation. In the flat, open streams they were "fish in a barrel" for the birds of prey.
The pure, simple fact is consequences go so much farther than what we think. I couldn't give two s**ts what a farmer in Montana thinks; he's wrong. The farmers there think the natural world that supports their livestock will run just fine without the whole gamut of species that represents a healthy ecosystem. They are woefully ignorant, and I'm hoping you as a hunter can see more clearly. The last people we want making conservation decisions are ranchers and back country bob. Thank goodness wolves are doing well, and I say this as a hunter and as a farmer, as farming is our family business (beef, and poultry). We lose calves to predation, and if we start losing full grown head, that's the cost of doing business in the natural world and so be it. Please don't pretend to speak on behalf of ranchers, unless you are one and I'm mistaken, feel free to correct me. The real world runs a lot deeper than you know.
As for sustainable predator harvest for pelts? Yessir, sounds good. I took this hybrid last year on our property, killed several of our goats. Such is life.
Ardent
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My post above applies equally to you...
aftermidnight
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Well presented, Ardent. Nature has it's own balance to function at it's best. However, had I been in Dogduster's shoes I would have done the same thing and twice on Sunday!
