The Browning Hi Power Mk 2: initial thoughts and observations

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This pistol will be familiar to many readers but, even though I’ve seen a handgun owner for almost 40 years (and classic 9mm pistols being one of my favourite types) I’ve never owned Hi Power until this one showed up in the mail today—an excellent pre-Christmas present from the EE! It was pouring rain with high winds here today and with the malls jammed with shoppers I thought it an ideal day to stay home familiarize myself with my new pistol.

When I first picked it up I was surprised at how slim and comfortable the grip is! Even though I’d read about how comfortable it is I was still surprised. I think it may be the best fitting pistol for my small hands I’ve ever owned. It’s quite close in feel to the small grip model I’ve got on my SIG P320, but the Hi Power feels s bit better at first grip.

I’m not sure of the pistol’s finish—I think it’s parkerized but it may be some other type of matte finish. The frame on mine is a little bit lighter giving a pleasing subtle two-tone look.
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The previous owner added skateboard tape to the front and backstraps— I expected to remove it right away but it feels pretty good to be honest. I wasn’t really crazy about the look of the grips but they feel pretty good too—the vestigial thumbrest fits me very well.
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It’s a Mark II model—the “PR” date code in the serial number indicates that it was made in 1987 (the 245 prefix denotes a 9mm model). For a pistol made then, when three dot sights were quite common, the sights are surprisingly small, with no three dots or any other highlighting. Here’s the rear sight—you can see the rib that runs the full length of the slide:
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And here’s the front sight—it’s machined rather the dovetailed in, so I won’t be replacing it! The sight picture against a lighter background is quite crisp, although they do tend to disappear against a dark background (at least around the house!)
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The pistol has ambidextrous safeties—I’d read that the right-side safety bugs some shooters but it seems OK to me. The safety isn’t as positive off and on as a good 1911 but it was better than what I was expected. Early Hi Powers has internal extractors, but mine has an external one.
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There’s no removable bushing at the muzzle end of the slide. The small hole at the end of the slide below the barrel is supposedly intended to allow water to drain out of the pistol after submersion. I’m unlikely to test this feature out!
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The trigger is smooth and fairly narrow. Somewhere during the pistol’s life the dreaded magazine safety was removed—the trigger is quite nice and crisp now. The previous owner measured it at 5.5 pounds—it feels nicer than I was expecting!
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One neat feature that I only recently learned about is that when disassembling the pistol, the safety engages a notch in the slide to hold it open while the slide stop is popped out—it makes disassembly and re-assembly a dream.
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The barrel has two locking lugs, similar to a CZ75. Using this instead of the more modern method of using the chamber area to lock into the slide helps give the slide a nice, slim profile.
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Another unexpected feature is that the barrel does not use the slide stop pin to unlock, but instead uses this cross-piece in the frame instead.
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I'm really pleased with the feel of the pistol—it feels wonderful in the hand, and despite being all-steel only weighs in at a well-balanced 32 ounces. The trigger pull on mine is a pleasure, too, and the sights should be OK for my intended use as a "range fun" pistol. I'm hoping to get out to the range over the Christmas break if the weather holds—I'll update once I've had a chance to take it out.
 
Very nice Master G!

I love the modern BHPs. Here are 2 of mine. The 2 tone Practical is sold. I have a feeling my current Mk.III and your Mk.II shared the same previous owner!






If you plan on shooting the BHP a lot, wear a glove. The short tang and the long hammer along with the sharpish edge at the back will chew the web of your shooting hand.
 
Great review Master-G!

Glad you "finally" ;) got one of the most iconic pistol of the 20th century!

Love the engineered marvel design of JMB/Dieudonné Saive, probably had two dozen BHP's over the years, trained with them for an extended period and even though some feel that they are outdated, they've been ahead of it's time before the wondernines showed up in the late 70's.

Out of the bunch I personally prefer the early MK III's with the forged frame made from late '88 till mid '93.

This is my late '91 "NZ" code MK III with the black "semi gloss" epoxy finish, manufactured with the scarce S.A./FNH markings & lanyard ring.

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I have had a number of the High Powers over the years, they are great guns, probably the best fit and feel of any semi-auto in my hands. Its a good thing your mag safety is removed, the pin that holds the trigger in the frame can be almost impossible to remove on Mark III High Powers with the epoxy type coated finish they started to use in the 90's. Your gun appears to be parkerized so not hard to get that pin out. The mag safety is a real PITA, it not only makes the trigger heavier, but hangs up mags from dropping freely on occasion.

I prefer a thinner grip on these guns. If you do, try to find a set of Uncle Mike's rubber grips which are modeled on the Craig Speigel grips as they fit great and are much cheaper than the Speigel grips. These are out of production but can be bought used from time to time.
 
The classic Hi Power is normally found with either a ring or spur hammer and almost always came with checkered walnut stocks. Finish was normally bright polished blue. Fixed sights were small with the rear dovetailed in and the front staked on to the slide. Some were available with adjustable sights. The front sight base on these is silver soldered to the slide. The fixed sight Hi Power was sometimes called "Vigilante" with the adjustable sight version being called sport model.

In 1982 the Mk II replaced the classic style Hi Power. It only came with fixed sights and the front sight was integral to a thin rib running the length of the slide. The rear sight was dovetailed into the slide and these sights were a little larger than the fixed classic sights. Where the classic Hi Power had a small single-side thumb safety, we saw the introduction of the extended ambidextrous ones on the Mk II. The finishes on these pistols were parkerized but some were either dark gray, nearly black, and dark green on others. Stocks were the black checkered nylon ones seen on the Mk III as well. The Mk II had a small hole drilled in the front of the slide under the muzzle, presumably to let water drain from the pistol in a military situation. Some of these had lanyard rings and some not. All had spur hammers. Early production runs did not have the internal firing pin block but Mk II pistols made later did. The feed ramp was altered on the Mk II as well and this carried over into the Mk III. Instead of the humped feed ramp associated with the classic pistol, which could cause them to be problem feeders with other than ball, a straight "throated" ramp was adopted, eliminating this problem.

In late 1988 the Mk III pistol was introduced, it has a different shaped ejection port, supposedly to prevent rare instances of slides cracking when shot with lots of very "hot" ammo. Also the fixed sights are larger with both the front and rear being dovetailed into the slide. On the Mk III (matte finish), stocks are the black checkered nylon. On the Standard (bright blue), they are the classic checkered walnut. On the Practical (two-tone finish), the frame is hard chromed and the gun is most often seen with a matte slide and a ring hammer although some do have blued slides and spur hammers. Stocks on these are usually the Pachmayr rubber wrap-around. The Standard and Practical can also be found in adjustable sight versions and both of these pistols have a semi-post non-serrated front sight. The front sight on the Practical is usually a more sloped, non-serrated ramp.

BHP frames were forged until late 1993, the .40 S&W chambering was introduced in 1994 and Browning had changed to the cast frames on both 9mm & .40 versions as a cost cutting measure.
 
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Great write-up Master-G! :cool: Love your pics, too! [what camera are you using?]

I have a couple of MkIII's.... one in 9mm (top) & the other in .40 S&W (bottom with beefier slide):

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Very nice Master G! I love the modern BHPs. Here are 2 of mine. The 2 tone Practical is sold. I have a feeling my current Mk.III and your Mk.II shared the same previous owner! If you plan on shooting the BHP a lot, wear a glove. The short tang and the long hammer along with the sharpish edge at the back will chew the web of your shooting hand.
Thanks! That Mk. III is beautiful—has it been refinished? I will bring a glove along for sure to the range—I like a high grip and can feel the hammer "bumping" my hand when working the slide. It might be OK (my P230SL does the same thing) but I want to be ready


Great review Master-G!Glad you "finally" got one of the most iconic pistol of the 20th century! Love the engineered marvel design of JMB/Dieudonné Saive, probably had two dozen BHP's over the years, trained with them for an extended period and even though some feel that they are outdated, they've been ahead of it's time before the wondernines showed up in the late 70's.
Thanks! I don't know what took me so long! It does feel like a much more modern design than it is.

I prefer a thinner grip on these guns. If you do, try to find a set of Uncle Mike's rubber grips which are modeled on the Craig Speigel grips as they fit great and are much cheaper than the Speigel grips. These are out of production but can be bought used from time to time.
Thanks for the tip—I had though about putting some VZs on it (I usually add them right away to my 1911s) but they would've looked too fancy on a businesslike pistol like this one.


Great write-up Master-G! Love your pics, too! [what camera are you using?]
Thanks! My camera is an older Canon EOS Rebel T2i. I actually took these pictures in my downstairs bathroom with the pistol on a sheet of bristol board. I usually take my pictures outdoors when there's a high overcast but the rain yesterday made that impossible.

I noticed that the bathroom actually had pretty good even lighting so I improvised and used that as my impromptu studio. I always use a tripod to hold the camera steady—some of these exposures are pretty long—and I usually brighten up the images in Apple Photos or Photoshop.
 
Yes, the Mk.III had a 2 tone Cerekote done and the mag disconnector removed. As you can see, it also has skate tape in the same area as yours so I’m thinking they shared the same previous owner!

Looking forward to your range report and how you enjoy the grip after 200 rounds!
 
Also check out these grips:

NAVIDREX GRIPS - Browning HP Black Micarta

Just google NAVIDREX GRIPS, they have some images on their website.

These are also very thin, I think they may be available through Brownells, a little pricier though, but good reviews.
 
Also check out these grips:

NAVIDREX GRIPS - Browning HP Black Micarta

Just google NAVIDREX GRIPS, they have some images on their website.

These are also very thin, I think they may be available through Brownells, a little pricier though, but good reviews.

They will need fitting. I ordered some and they don't fit the gun exactly. Will need to file it down a bit, maybe even bed them.
 
I've had a great number or platforms and shot many more, but still to this day, the Hi-power is still my tops. Somehow manage to shoot it more accurately than any gun I've own. Kicker is that my best has been a T-series with half moon sights.

Congrats on the find, and thank you for the great photos.
 
I have a BHP that my father brought back from WWII. It's Belgium and has a 3 digit serial number. I've shot it for years, great gun!! The barrel looks pretty pitted but it still shoots very well. I was just wondering what it might be worth? It's definitely a user.
 
They will need fitting. I ordered some and they don't fit the gun exactly. Will need to file it down a bit, maybe even bed them.

Yikes never heard that before, I always had good luck with the Uncle Mike's rubber ones. After that work, how do you like them?
 
Here's a quick update—I had a chance to take the pistol out to the range today for an early January shoot with my Dad. Before I get into the results of the day I've made one small change to the pistol—I've added a set of Pachmayr grips. I've always liked how they feel in the hand, and I think they compliment the pistol's 1980's-vintage style. I was surprised at how much bulkier the grip felt—it's still comfortably slim, though.
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Now—onto the range report. It was mostly a good day (although I was not off to a great start by leaving my jacket at home—lucky my Dad had an extra sweater!) The temperature was just around freezing with gusty winds, so conditions were not optimal for best performance. I started with one of my favourite 9mm rounds—Sellier and Bellot 115 grain. Disappointingly, though, I experienced a number of odd stoppages—the fired case would be only partially extracted from the chamber, jamming the slide when the fresh round was attempted to be chambered. I had this on every one of the three magazines I fired with this round—the first shots in my video show this.

Thankfully, though, there rest of the day went much better. I had some Federal America Eagle 115 grain and RUAG 124 grain—neither of those gave any problems at all. The pistol has a wonderfully mild recoil, and the crisp trigger pull made accurate shooting easy. I did find the trigger reset a little tricky to feel when shooting fast—especially with gloves on. I'm a "shoot to the reset" guy and like a nice tactile reset—all those years of shooting Glocks have spoiled me! I had no problem at all with hammer bite—even with gloves off. I couldn't feel the hammer at all, actually, during the pistol's cycling, even with my high grip.

Here's the video summary of the day—the first rounds were the S&B ones that didn't work out, the next ones in the video are the RUAG and finally the last are the Federal. The RUAG was quite accurate, although the black sights were a little tricky for me to judge elevation with. The wind gusts were rocking me back a bit too, so that didn't help! The distance for all shooting was 15m.

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Once I got home and let the pistol warm up I had a close look around the extractor and found a bit of grunge which I cleaned out with a toothbrush. It's possible that the cold temperatures may have caused the extractor's action to be a little sluggish causing the problems with the S&B ammo. Other than that, though, the pistol was very enjoyable to shoot—I'm glad I picked it up!
 
Nice gusty winds today Master-G looks like a pleasant day with your father and that nice BHP of yours! Good accuracy out of the thin sights and less than ideal weather!

Can’t wait to find some time to enjoy some of my toys too.
 
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